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you follow Nadine on Twitter 59 00:03:01,660 --> 00:03:00,439 at Navy Laila I've got the links right 60 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:01,670 up there in the feed 61 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:04,609 tomorrow night's right here Dell big 62 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:07,250 tree Wednesday night Bruce art Benton 63 00:03:10,809 --> 00:03:09,170 joins us Thursday night of course is 64 00:03:11,530 --> 00:03:10,819 another fader night with open lines all 65 00:03:14,619 --> 00:03:11,540 night long 66 00:03:17,259 --> 00:03:14,629 tonight it's Nadine Leila Sh Nadine 67 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:17,269 entered the field of ufology 2004 to 68 00:03:21,699 --> 00:03:18,769 investigate a series of frightening 69 00:03:23,140 --> 00:03:21,709 experiences that had transpired in the 70 00:03:26,410 --> 00:03:23,150 previous 13 years 71 00:03:28,119 --> 00:03:26,420 the first event occurred in June of 1991 72 00:03:30,369 --> 00:03:28,129 while she and a friend were camping in 73 00:03:32,409 --> 00:03:30,379 Sedona Arizona we will be discussing all 74 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:32,419 of that tonight's and along with the 75 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:35,090 diverse legal experience Nadine has been 76 00:03:40,149 --> 00:03:37,609 an avid researcher a variety of subjects 77 00:03:41,890 --> 00:03:40,159 related to psychology physical healing 78 00:03:43,509 --> 00:03:41,900 personal and spiritual growth and 79 00:03:45,490 --> 00:03:43,519 techniques for healing trauma and 80 00:03:47,770 --> 00:03:45,500 addiction she has written two books 81 00:03:51,220 --> 00:03:47,780 evolution coming to terms with the et 82 00:03:53,619 --> 00:03:51,230 presence and alien experiences 25 cases 83 00:03:57,460 --> 00:03:53,629 of Close Encounters co-authored with 84 00:03:59,439 --> 00:03:57,470 Barbara Lam now nadine appeared in the 85 00:04:01,809 --> 00:03:59,449 new dot in paradigm films documentary 86 00:04:04,089 --> 00:04:01,819 the day before disclosure and Discovery 87 00:04:05,649 --> 00:04:04,099 Channel's best evidence she has been a 88 00:04:07,420 --> 00:04:05,659 guest on numerous radio shows and a 89 00:04:09,339 --> 00:04:07,430 featured speaker for various MUFON 90 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:09,349 chapters and her articles appear 91 00:04:13,930 --> 00:04:11,840 regularly in jar magazine Journal of 92 00:04:16,029 --> 00:04:13,940 abduction research I would like to 93 00:04:23,529 --> 00:04:16,039 welcome back to fade to black Nadine 94 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:23,539 Laila Nadine where have you been thanks 95 00:04:27,939 --> 00:04:25,250 for having me on the show you know what 96 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:27,949 you know what's great is you were with 97 00:04:35,350 --> 00:04:31,250 this at the very start of fade to black 98 00:04:40,210 --> 00:04:35,360 and the world has changed so much a 99 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:40,220 sense back then and I'm gonna get 100 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:44,150 straight to Sedona but this is just an 101 00:04:49,210 --> 00:04:46,010 open conversation between friends so I'm 102 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:49,220 gonna ask you did you did you take a 103 00:04:54,339 --> 00:04:52,250 step back from ufology for a minute you 104 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:54,349 know did you I choose to go and do some 105 00:05:02,149 --> 00:04:57,330 research what happened 106 00:05:05,119 --> 00:05:02,159 well I I was fairly entrenched with the 107 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:05,129 first book and did a lot of talking then 108 00:05:13,969 --> 00:05:11,490 and once I was out talking about the et 109 00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:13,979 phenomenon I started having more my lab 110 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:16,560 experiences and I have to say honestly 111 00:05:23,420 --> 00:05:19,860 it probably freaked me out more than the 112 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:23,430 et phenomenon and I kind of backed off 113 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:24,840 for a few years I didn't quite know how 114 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:28,110 to handle it so I I also I'm an artist 115 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:29,969 and I do children's books like so I kind 116 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:31,530 of backed off and went into a different 117 00:05:36,830 --> 00:05:33,650 business of mine for a few years and 118 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:36,840 kind of shook it off and came back out 119 00:05:43,369 --> 00:05:40,110 with the next book well because and I 120 00:05:46,909 --> 00:05:43,379 only asked because your your experience 121 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:46,919 in Sedona and I had the opportunity not 122 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:48,810 only to have you on the show but but I 123 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:50,580 got to go see you speak here in Los 124 00:05:57,409 --> 00:05:54,449 Angeles and you and I had a great couple 125 00:06:00,920 --> 00:05:57,419 of days hanging out and talking and I 126 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:00,930 just thought her case her experiences 127 00:06:07,580 --> 00:06:05,190 are so important and just as because 128 00:06:10,850 --> 00:06:07,590 everybody wanted to know more about you 129 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:10,860 and your experiences and then you know 130 00:06:16,159 --> 00:06:13,889 Nadine just kind of went away for a 131 00:06:17,899 --> 00:06:16,169 little bit I'm glad to have you back but 132 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:17,909 I knew that there was more to the story 133 00:06:24,260 --> 00:06:21,930 than just you know I went over to you 134 00:06:26,450 --> 00:06:24,270 know went to Spain for a while and just 135 00:06:30,709 --> 00:06:26,460 kicked it you know that wasn't the case 136 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:30,719 was it no that wasn't the case I am I do 137 00:06:35,330 --> 00:06:32,370 a lot of different things wear a lot of 138 00:06:37,129 --> 00:06:35,340 different hats and I have another 139 00:06:39,260 --> 00:06:37,139 company hug Bennett and company where 140 00:06:40,999 --> 00:06:39,270 you know I work in animation and so I 141 00:06:44,119 --> 00:06:41,009 don't often to that for a while because 142 00:06:46,459 --> 00:06:44,129 once the MyLab started appearing more 143 00:06:48,529 --> 00:06:46,469 often after I started talking about this 144 00:06:50,869 --> 00:06:48,539 is it it freaked me out 145 00:06:53,089 --> 00:06:50,879 out freaked me out really and I needed 146 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:53,099 time to process it and I think when you 147 00:06:57,860 --> 00:06:54,810 saw me speaking in LA there you 148 00:06:59,330 --> 00:06:57,870 mentioned earlier the fact that you had 149 00:07:02,059 --> 00:06:59,340 never heard me talk about it before 150 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:02,069 that's night is the first time time I 151 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:03,449 really started to speak a little bit 152 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:05,370 about it in public but I never ever 153 00:07:09,980 --> 00:07:07,680 wrote about it I didn't want anything in 154 00:07:11,119 --> 00:07:09,990 writing held down yeah and we're gonna 155 00:07:14,980 --> 00:07:11,129 be talking 156 00:07:17,359 --> 00:07:14,990 no what-what Nadine is referring to is 157 00:07:21,619 --> 00:07:17,369 let's get the audience and background 158 00:07:24,290 --> 00:07:21,629 here so Nadine was with us and we 159 00:07:26,089 --> 00:07:24,300 discussed at length and in depth the 160 00:07:28,159 --> 00:07:26,099 events of Sedona which we're gonna do 161 00:07:30,559 --> 00:07:28,169 tonight again we'll do a recap look a 162 00:07:32,299 --> 00:07:30,569 recap of Sedona they I believe we're 163 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:32,309 talking about it in those terms because 164 00:07:39,469 --> 00:07:35,089 it's such a it was such a crazy huge 165 00:07:41,119 --> 00:07:39,479 night for you but we'll do that but we 166 00:07:44,329 --> 00:07:41,129 did that on the show and then I went to 167 00:07:47,689 --> 00:07:44,339 hear you speak and then you started to 168 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:47,699 talk about will do this again later on 169 00:07:52,939 --> 00:07:49,110 tonight on the show but you started 170 00:07:58,070 --> 00:07:52,949 describing what was going on 171 00:08:00,379 --> 00:07:58,080 with a MyLab possible my lab component 172 00:08:02,779 --> 00:08:00,389 to all of this and I was sitting in the 173 00:08:05,629 --> 00:08:02,789 back of the room going I didn't know 174 00:08:08,709 --> 00:08:05,639 about any of this and where was this on 175 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:08,719 the show what is going on but now I know 176 00:08:13,359 --> 00:08:11,580 of course that that was the first time 177 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:13,369 you had ever spoken about it 178 00:08:22,309 --> 00:08:17,969 yes yes it was and yeah well now you're 179 00:08:24,889 --> 00:08:22,319 out of the closet so tonight we're gonna 180 00:08:29,089 --> 00:08:24,899 discuss all of that and so let's jump 181 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:29,099 back actually in 1991 in Sedona was 182 00:08:34,279 --> 00:08:31,409 pivotal for a lot of different reasons 183 00:08:37,370 --> 00:08:34,289 because it enabled you to go backwards 184 00:08:41,899 --> 00:08:37,380 and forwards in life and and start to 185 00:08:47,150 --> 00:08:41,909 examine things more closely but let's do 186 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:47,160 the condensed version of 1991 I'll set 187 00:08:55,699 --> 00:08:50,730 it up here let you and a friend had a 188 00:08:58,250 --> 00:08:55,709 van you're in Sedona and you pull over 189 00:09:00,170 --> 00:08:58,260 you need a place to stay for the night 190 00:09:02,930 --> 00:09:00,180 and you pull over it I've always 191 00:09:05,569 --> 00:09:02,940 envisioned this as a rest stop with with 192 00:09:08,660 --> 00:09:05,579 camping at it right or without 193 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:08,670 facilities I should say but that's 194 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:11,010 that's basically what it was but it was 195 00:09:18,590 --> 00:09:15,600 fairly remote right very remote so what 196 00:09:20,570 --> 00:09:18,600 happened next you guys set up you cook 197 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:20,580 food and and what happens 198 00:09:25,460 --> 00:09:23,370 well we we were exhausted it was late by 199 00:09:27,410 --> 00:09:25,470 then it was 10:30 11 o'clock at night we 200 00:09:30,259 --> 00:09:27,420 had another 20 miles to go we've been 201 00:09:31,699 --> 00:09:30,269 we'd driven all day from LA and we just 202 00:09:33,769 --> 00:09:31,709 decided we pull over and sleep in the 203 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:33,779 van for the night so we looked at the 204 00:09:39,620 --> 00:09:35,610 first thing we could find and it was 205 00:09:41,810 --> 00:09:39,630 this day picnic area and so we pulled 206 00:09:44,569 --> 00:09:41,820 into that one and there was nobody there 207 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:44,579 and no facilities and electricity is an 208 00:09:50,660 --> 00:09:48,000 outhouse and we just backed the van in 209 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:50,670 and pulled all our stuff off of the 210 00:09:56,090 --> 00:09:52,890 threw it all under the under the picnic 211 00:09:58,759 --> 00:09:56,100 table and then later sleeping bags down 212 00:10:00,259 --> 00:09:58,769 in the back we'd been planning the next 213 00:10:04,670 --> 00:10:00,269 day we were gonna go hiking through the 214 00:10:08,540 --> 00:10:04,680 vortexes in Sedona mm-hmm and anyway 215 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:08,550 ended up going to bed and crashing that 216 00:10:12,889 --> 00:10:10,620 night and it was probably about 11 217 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:12,899 o'clock and I was sleeping and all of a 218 00:10:16,490 --> 00:10:14,730 sudden I woke up Pamela my friend we've 219 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:16,500 been friends at this point for Jesus 220 00:10:22,370 --> 00:10:19,529 over 40 years and she was sound asleep 221 00:10:24,079 --> 00:10:22,380 and I heard some sounds outside my first 222 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:24,089 thought of course what I heard shuffling 223 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:26,250 outside was wait a minute a couple of 224 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:27,810 women remote area there could be 225 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:30,570 somebody out there people and so I sat 226 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:32,910 up on top of my sleeping bag just sat up 227 00:10:36,139 --> 00:10:34,110 to listen carefully 228 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:36,149 and it wasn't a matter of a couple of 229 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:38,010 seconds that all of a sudden the back of 230 00:10:42,620 --> 00:10:40,649 the van opened opened up and the light 231 00:10:44,180 --> 00:10:42,630 came on now was pitch black there 232 00:10:46,069 --> 00:10:44,190 because there were no lights anywhere so 233 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:46,079 my eyes really couldn't adjust instantly 234 00:10:50,690 --> 00:10:48,300 to that bright light and the first thing 235 00:10:52,940 --> 00:10:50,700 that I saw in that moment was someone 236 00:10:55,370 --> 00:10:52,950 reaching for me but it wasn't a human 237 00:11:01,000 --> 00:10:55,380 hand and it was a hand with three 238 00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:01,010 fingers and a thumb and you know prior 239 00:11:06,019 --> 00:11:03,240 experience and I think it's important is 240 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:06,029 is that this really isn't on my scope 241 00:11:11,870 --> 00:11:08,550 you know in my life I'm doing other 242 00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:11,880 things if you ask me do I think think 243 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:13,320 that there's alien life out there 244 00:11:19,699 --> 00:11:17,010 absolutely yeah it's logical but did I 245 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:19,709 focus on it no was it one of my 246 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:22,050 researchers or study it was I fully 247 00:11:26,210 --> 00:11:23,670 conscious of anything having happened to 248 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:26,220 me at that time no anyway the hand 249 00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:28,290 reaches in and adrenaline is running 250 00:11:33,319 --> 00:11:30,600 through my body my eyes are adjusting to 251 00:11:34,030 --> 00:11:33,329 the light and I'm utterly totally 252 00:11:36,579 --> 00:11:34,040 shocked 253 00:11:38,379 --> 00:11:36,589 terrified I lose a few seconds there of 254 00:11:42,610 --> 00:11:38,389 consciousness the next recollection I 255 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:42,620 have is I'm standing on the ground at 256 00:11:47,050 --> 00:11:45,529 the end of the van and the light is 257 00:11:49,030 --> 00:11:47,060 still on very bright because the door 258 00:11:51,999 --> 00:11:49,040 has swung upwards over my head 259 00:11:56,139 --> 00:11:52,009 Pamela's still sleeps Pamela still she's 260 00:11:59,290 --> 00:11:56,149 out cold but I'm free I'm frozen I can't 261 00:12:02,139 --> 00:11:59,300 move I'm paralyzed my arms at my side my 262 00:12:05,259 --> 00:12:02,149 tip my chin is tucked down to my chest 263 00:12:08,319 --> 00:12:05,269 so I have a limited amount of vision 264 00:12:11,199 --> 00:12:08,329 which is really around my feet I can see 265 00:12:12,879 --> 00:12:11,209 down from about my chin length around my 266 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:12,889 feet a certain area around my feet 267 00:12:16,210 --> 00:12:14,690 that's what I could see and I feel like 268 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:16,220 someone very large is standing in front 269 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:18,410 of me to the left and to the right of me 270 00:12:22,629 --> 00:12:20,569 now again I have no reference because 271 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:22,639 I've not studied anything about aliens 272 00:12:27,939 --> 00:12:25,610 or ETS it's not been on my scope so what 273 00:12:32,499 --> 00:12:27,949 I think is beside me on each side is a 274 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:32,509 small little three-foot bald child 275 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:33,889 because I can only see the top of the 276 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:37,970 head and I'm interpreting as a child yet 277 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:39,529 you know deep down you see something 278 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:42,110 like that and there's a part of you that 279 00:12:45,550 --> 00:12:43,850 knows instantly this isn't right this 280 00:12:47,530 --> 00:12:45,560 isn't there's nothing normal about this 281 00:12:49,629 --> 00:12:47,540 there's something else going on here and 282 00:12:52,509 --> 00:12:49,639 I knew it but I was fighting hysteria 283 00:12:55,030 --> 00:12:52,519 and I felt the other presence in front 284 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:55,040 of me and then the next thing I recall 285 00:12:59,139 --> 00:12:56,810 as I recall being lifted up off the 286 00:13:00,850 --> 00:12:59,149 ground a few inches and the only thing I 287 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:00,860 could and I could see this because I was 288 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:03,170 looking looking down and what I saw is 289 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:08,240 that each of these characters on the 290 00:13:12,069 --> 00:13:09,769 side of me these entities on the side of 291 00:13:14,259 --> 00:13:12,079 me that I thought were little children 292 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:14,269 they had cupped their hands very tiny 293 00:13:18,579 --> 00:13:16,970 any hands underneath my hands or at my 294 00:13:20,139 --> 00:13:18,589 side they did not touch me 295 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:20,149 but when they cupped it underneath it 296 00:13:23,650 --> 00:13:21,649 there must have been some kind of energy 297 00:13:26,170 --> 00:13:23,660 released because I lifted up off the 298 00:13:29,490 --> 00:13:26,180 ground a few inches and the next thing I 299 00:13:31,689 --> 00:13:29,500 know we begin to move forward and again 300 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:31,699 yeah you're not walking and that watch 301 00:13:38,319 --> 00:13:34,490 right right no I'm just scooting over 302 00:13:41,610 --> 00:13:38,329 the ground paralyzed and and as we're 303 00:13:43,780 --> 00:13:41,620 moving you know I'm trying to in my mind 304 00:13:45,550 --> 00:13:43,790 rationalize what's going on trying to 305 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:45,560 find answers as to what's happening me 306 00:13:48,690 --> 00:13:46,360 because 307 00:13:50,850 --> 00:13:48,700 a new kind of experience and I am fully 308 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:50,860 awake and then I feel something hitting 309 00:13:57,300 --> 00:13:54,490 my face later on a few years later I 310 00:14:00,360 --> 00:13:57,310 actually did do some regression work on 311 00:14:02,190 --> 00:14:00,370 that on the found out that and I went 312 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:02,200 back to the location in my book I have 313 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:03,370 that I have photographs of where it all 314 00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:05,230 happened where the craft had come down 315 00:14:08,610 --> 00:14:07,360 and in to this day it's interesting if 316 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:08,620 you look in the book you see there's a 317 00:14:13,170 --> 00:14:11,110 picture where to this day I went there 318 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:13,180 22 years later and filmed the area 319 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:15,490 mm-hmm and where I saw craft on the 320 00:14:24,569 --> 00:14:17,260 ground afterwards the whole thing is 321 00:14:27,870 --> 00:14:24,579 burned nothing is still growing did you 322 00:14:31,710 --> 00:14:27,880 at any point hope that this was just a 323 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:31,720 dream oh you know what I mean what's 324 00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:33,670 good you know because the reality part 325 00:14:39,630 --> 00:14:37,839 is the reality part you know it and it 326 00:14:41,730 --> 00:14:39,640 just becomes too much for your brain to 327 00:14:45,810 --> 00:14:41,740 handle right what was going through your 328 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:45,820 mind well I think in a moment you know 329 00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:48,250 it's like it's any time you have you're 330 00:14:52,410 --> 00:14:50,470 traumatized okay so I'm traumatized in 331 00:14:54,569 --> 00:14:52,420 that moment I'm trying to find an answer 332 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:54,579 for this I can't make it stop all right 333 00:14:59,040 --> 00:14:57,250 we didn't go that far and so later on in 334 00:15:00,930 --> 00:14:59,050 regression I realized what was hitting 335 00:15:02,699 --> 00:15:00,940 my face was the branches so that I was 336 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:02,709 too tall for the branches but the small 337 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:03,910 ones that were in the side of me could 338 00:15:06,210 --> 00:15:05,290 go underneath the branches as we were 339 00:15:10,860 --> 00:15:06,220 going through this little 340 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:10,870 wooded area right but you know when 341 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:12,339 you're like that there's so much 342 00:15:16,170 --> 00:15:14,740 adrenaline in your system that you're 343 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:16,180 just trying to survive is what I'm 344 00:15:21,449 --> 00:15:18,130 trying to do in that moment and not lose 345 00:15:23,939 --> 00:15:21,459 your mind it was afterwards after the 346 00:15:26,699 --> 00:15:23,949 experience is when I began and to try to 347 00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:26,709 sort the thing all out out and the way 348 00:15:30,269 --> 00:15:28,750 that it resolved was that I blacked out 349 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:30,279 after a few of those things that my face 350 00:15:35,329 --> 00:15:31,750 apparently were on the path somewhere 351 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:35,339 and the next thing I know my next 352 00:15:41,009 --> 00:15:38,649 awareness is about an hour later and my 353 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:41,019 awareness is as crazy as it sound was as 354 00:15:44,910 --> 00:15:42,370 though I had been dropped through the 355 00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:44,920 top of the van onto my sleeping bag 356 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:48,040 straight through the top and I literally 357 00:15:55,050 --> 00:15:50,050 that's what it felt like and I literally 358 00:15:56,490 --> 00:15:55,060 bounced onto my sleeping bag and what 359 00:15:58,559 --> 00:15:56,500 was really strange is when I had sat up 360 00:16:01,379 --> 00:15:58,569 the first time my you know when I was 361 00:16:05,850 --> 00:16:01,389 listening to what was outside my 362 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:05,860 I had my knees feast folded and when I 363 00:16:09,180 --> 00:16:07,870 came down that next time they weren't 364 00:16:12,449 --> 00:16:09,190 they were in the same way except I was 365 00:16:16,079 --> 00:16:12,459 drenched in sweat and I was hysterical I 366 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:16,089 was not a particularly hysterical person 367 00:16:25,079 --> 00:16:19,930 okay but I was pretty hysterical and 368 00:16:28,199 --> 00:16:25,089 crying and as I came down onto it there 369 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:28,209 was a huge woosh sound that I also heard 370 00:16:31,410 --> 00:16:29,769 at the same time like some kind of a 371 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:31,420 vacuum or something that happened 372 00:16:36,569 --> 00:16:34,180 Pamela was steer that air out and at the 373 00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:36,579 time it was probably about 3:30 in the 374 00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:40,000 morning something like that and I tried 375 00:16:44,939 --> 00:16:41,860 to wake her up and I'm II tried to it 376 00:16:47,970 --> 00:16:44,949 because I I needed the companionship in 377 00:16:49,619 --> 00:16:47,980 that moment so freaked out and I kept 378 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:49,629 shaking her and shaking her and crying 379 00:16:54,780 --> 00:16:53,410 that girl did not budge till five 380 00:16:56,749 --> 00:16:54,790 o'clock in the morning nothing I did 381 00:16:59,730 --> 00:16:56,759 would wake her up and I just sat there 382 00:17:02,460 --> 00:16:59,740 crying and shaking and sweating and put 383 00:17:04,610 --> 00:17:02,470 my face to that back window because you 384 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:04,620 know I knew I mean it's so different 385 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:07,089 there's no way you could even begin to 386 00:17:10,350 --> 00:17:09,010 interpret a dream when you're fully 387 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:10,360 awakened something like that happens 388 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:13,480 sure it's just and so I had my face 389 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:15,970 pressed to the glass a terrified they 390 00:17:24,569 --> 00:17:17,730 were going to come back after me again 391 00:17:30,659 --> 00:17:24,579 now let's there are so many okay so that 392 00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:30,669 that everybody is is the physical side 393 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:34,960 of it now let's get to and I'm I'm gonna 394 00:17:40,409 --> 00:17:37,330 be very serious Nady the the there is 395 00:17:42,529 --> 00:17:40,419 parts to this experience that are 396 00:17:46,049 --> 00:17:42,539 absolutely terrifying I mean absolutely 397 00:17:48,690 --> 00:17:46,059 and there are parts of it that also make 398 00:17:51,149 --> 00:17:48,700 me step back and say wait a minute 399 00:17:53,010 --> 00:17:51,159 there's something more to this that is 400 00:17:55,289 --> 00:17:53,020 you know there's something else going on 401 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:55,299 here and you started to put the pieces 402 00:17:59,610 --> 00:17:57,520 of this together so let's get to that 403 00:18:04,200 --> 00:17:59,620 before we get to the break we have so 404 00:18:07,639 --> 00:18:04,210 much to talk about tonight you were you 405 00:18:10,049 --> 00:18:07,649 were taken aboard a craft so let's let's 406 00:18:13,620 --> 00:18:10,059 talk about that first how did that 407 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:13,630 happen well 408 00:18:17,850 --> 00:18:15,730 the next recollection that I had and I 409 00:18:20,970 --> 00:18:17,860 did do some regression on work on this 410 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:20,980 afterwards and was able to retrieve some 411 00:18:25,890 --> 00:18:22,930 of the memories in in essence there was 412 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:25,900 a craft and I was taken to a craft and I 413 00:18:29,910 --> 00:18:28,300 was brought into a circular room and I 414 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:29,920 went through and out the time again I 415 00:18:35,660 --> 00:18:33,010 didn't know anything about this so only 416 00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:35,670 now in retrospect many years later I 417 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:37,720 recognized that what happened to me is 418 00:18:42,510 --> 00:18:39,730 quite similar that happens to many of 419 00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:42,520 the abductees when they talk about these 420 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:44,830 this phenomenon and there was a full 421 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:47,350 physical exam that took place that was 422 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:50,320 quite terrifying on top of a table and I 423 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:52,570 had no clothes on it was the whole the 424 00:18:56,670 --> 00:18:54,730 whole deal that you hear people talk 425 00:18:58,170 --> 00:18:56,680 about that's exactly what happened to me 426 00:18:59,880 --> 00:18:58,180 it was very traumatizing 427 00:19:02,340 --> 00:18:59,890 to go through that to physical 428 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,350 experience there were in that in the 429 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:04,480 experience there were tall whites and 430 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:06,370 there were two different types of greys 431 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:09,490 the real short one like I saw and later 432 00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:13,840 on I recognized you know I it's still 433 00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,550 this stuff is very challenging to 434 00:19:20,190 --> 00:19:17,440 process even to this day many years 435 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:20,200 later but my recollection came fully 436 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:22,450 later on that standing in front of me is 437 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:24,130 what today they referred to as a 438 00:19:30,570 --> 00:19:28,090 reptilian or a Reptoid so it was it was 439 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:30,580 quite an exposure to somebody who had 440 00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:33,370 never had any experience consciously I 441 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:35,260 was not aware of it later on I put 442 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:37,090 pieces together when I look back at my 443 00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:39,010 life and it made a lot of sense of 444 00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,020 things that I had brushed off you know 445 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:42,640 when something happens once you kind of 446 00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:44,650 separate it and it happens again you 447 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:46,240 separate it but after a while you get a 448 00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:47,980 pile of things and you start to have 449 00:20:00,720 --> 00:19:54,780 some data to look at now the the exam 450 00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:00,730 happened on the ship you the experience 451 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:03,340 which I don't know if this was on the 452 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:07,450 same night but where you went and I want 453 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:10,890 you to help me digest this linearly the 454 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:14,050 the underground cavern aspect of this 455 00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:15,730 which we're gonna get into later on in 456 00:20:22,260 --> 00:20:17,980 the show was that also on the same night 457 00:20:23,580 --> 00:20:22,270 no ok and the reason the reason for that 458 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:23,590 the reason why I'm bringing this up 459 00:20:25,769 --> 00:20:25,000 because we're gonna be talking about my 460 00:20:28,259 --> 00:20:25,779 lab 461 00:20:31,979 --> 00:20:28,269 tonight later on in the show was there 462 00:20:35,070 --> 00:20:31,989 in this experience in Sedona was there 463 00:20:37,169 --> 00:20:35,080 anything for you that would indicate 464 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:37,179 that it was anything else 465 00:20:42,810 --> 00:20:41,200 other than an actual alien abduction 466 00:20:50,009 --> 00:20:42,820 from you know something from 467 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:50,019 interstellar space well you know I stay 468 00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,570 open my I have a hypotheses that 469 00:20:56,219 --> 00:20:54,159 continues to evolve 470 00:20:58,619 --> 00:20:56,229 I don't saw I don't get concrete with 471 00:21:01,289 --> 00:20:58,629 anything because I don't my opinions I 472 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:01,299 don't think we can okay so the question 473 00:21:06,629 --> 00:21:04,089 is is are these actual physical beings 474 00:21:09,299 --> 00:21:06,639 that that travel through the universe 475 00:21:11,639 --> 00:21:09,309 physically to come to earth possibly yes 476 00:21:15,419 --> 00:21:11,649 but are they interdimensional beings 477 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:15,429 that come through a dimension and we 478 00:21:19,619 --> 00:21:16,809 have this experience with them yes 479 00:21:22,649 --> 00:21:19,629 possibly and at this point you know I 480 00:21:24,749 --> 00:21:22,659 think both happens actually in that 481 00:21:27,239 --> 00:21:24,759 instance and I in later on as a years 482 00:21:29,159 --> 00:21:27,249 past and everything intensified you know 483 00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:29,169 I could look back at this and do I think 484 00:21:33,389 --> 00:21:32,559 this was strictly an alien ET experience 485 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,399 yes I do 486 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:35,440 was it interdimensional did they come 487 00:21:40,589 --> 00:21:37,210 through some kind of portal 488 00:21:42,180 --> 00:21:40,599 dimensionally maybe did they travel but 489 00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:42,190 over the years I've come to believe that 490 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:44,200 I can't say can't believe it but I've 491 00:21:50,399 --> 00:21:47,529 come to hypothesize that they may travel 492 00:21:52,169 --> 00:21:50,409 both ways not just one way but do did 493 00:21:55,619 --> 00:21:52,179 they originate here on the planet no 494 00:21:57,989 --> 00:21:55,629 there were no signs whatsoever of human 495 00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,999 beings involved in an incident now later 496 00:22:02,579 --> 00:22:00,159 on there were many experiences that 497 00:22:06,060 --> 00:22:02,589 happened where yes I saw them working 498 00:22:09,539 --> 00:22:06,070 together and this was not like that no 499 00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,549 we'll get to that that it's one of the 500 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:11,440 most compelling parts of your 501 00:22:19,159 --> 00:22:14,769 experiences and we'll get to that but 502 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:19,169 but I actually want to back up when you 503 00:22:24,349 --> 00:22:21,820 you know because of your next book you 504 00:22:29,639 --> 00:22:24,359 know 25 cases of close encounter right 505 00:22:33,810 --> 00:22:29,649 the I know that I've done this do you 506 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:33,820 hold back on certain aspects of your 507 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:37,330 experience and things to not pollute the 508 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:38,580 minds of others 509 00:22:42,860 --> 00:22:40,769 right where and then you go when you 510 00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:42,870 listen to somebody else's experience and 511 00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:44,220 you go holy crap to tell them the truth 512 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:46,830 because I've never told anybody about 513 00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:50,130 that and that's exactly right it comes 514 00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:52,440 in C it comes in increments you know and 515 00:22:56,779 --> 00:22:53,820 even you know even though it is 516 00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:56,789 something happens to you know III was a 517 00:23:00,740 --> 00:22:58,679 paralegal for my whole career 30 years 518 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:00,750 and I worked in in you know it worked in 519 00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:02,490 the court system work in prepping for 520 00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:05,070 litigation cases so everything was very 521 00:23:11,539 --> 00:23:07,799 analytical I used database software it's 522 00:23:13,940 --> 00:23:11,549 like even though it happened to me you 523 00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:13,950 know I need to sort it through I can't 524 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:15,929 just grab on to and say yes this is 525 00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,210 black and white it isn't black and white 526 00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:19,919 so what's happened over the years is 527 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:23,039 that I take it in pieces a little bit I 528 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:24,809 can digest it and then I can say yeah 529 00:23:29,539 --> 00:23:26,850 that's a possibility then I go another 530 00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:29,549 step a little bit now look later on in 531 00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:33,360 my experiences it appears appears that 532 00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,179 some of my genetic material was taken to 533 00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:37,919 create a hybrid that I was later 534 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:39,809 introduced to now I didn't know anything 535 00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:41,730 about that either but later on I found 536 00:23:45,620 --> 00:23:43,080 out other people have those kinds of 537 00:23:48,529 --> 00:23:45,630 stories but see each step of the way I 538 00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:48,539 have to digest it and I present it when 539 00:23:55,639 --> 00:23:50,039 I'm more comfortable with it because 540 00:23:59,180 --> 00:23:55,649 honestly it's such a challenging subject 541 00:24:01,100 --> 00:23:59,190 and it's so important to me that we find 542 00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,110 a way to put this out so that this 543 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:03,840 research can be respected not I don't 544 00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:05,490 want it to come out woo woo 545 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:08,190 and you know I you know I appreciate 546 00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:10,710 everybody who tells their experiences 547 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:12,750 it's vitally important but I will be 548 00:24:17,539 --> 00:24:14,490 glad you know we're getting criteria 549 00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:17,549 when it comes to talking about UFOs and 550 00:24:23,659 --> 00:24:20,820 physical evidence right we need to have 551 00:24:27,289 --> 00:24:23,669 a more concrete way for everybody to 552 00:24:29,509 --> 00:24:27,299 begin to express this in a way that the 553 00:24:30,649 --> 00:24:29,519 world will begin to accept but so we 554 00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:30,659 look like we're feet are on the ground 555 00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:33,659 you know black and white doesn't ever 556 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:35,820 work for me so I go in increments and 557 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:37,289 there are some things I didn't put in 558 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,570 the book because I just don't have it in 559 00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:42,480 me to say that yet will I ever I don't 560 00:24:48,139 --> 00:24:45,720 know I don't know because I know it has 561 00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:48,149 to be for everybody to start to accept 562 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:49,380 the fact that we're not alone in the 563 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:51,650 universe requires time 564 00:24:56,020 --> 00:24:54,710 and patience and you take a little bit 565 00:24:58,150 --> 00:24:56,030 at a time you do not change 566 00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,160 consciousness overnight and you don't 567 00:25:01,810 --> 00:24:59,840 take a whole bunch of stuff and dump it 568 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:01,820 on somebody's consciousness that has no 569 00:25:07,450 --> 00:25:03,950 awareness of it so I'm very careful is 570 00:25:09,330 --> 00:25:07,460 is that your legal side you know for 571 00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:09,340 spending 25 years in the legal 572 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:14,750 profession it enables you to what's the 573 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:17,530 word I want to use is it discernment hey 574 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:20,330 it's discernment but you know when 575 00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:22,370 you're when you're preparing cases for 576 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:25,190 trial of course you know you're looking 577 00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:27,530 for something factual they'll stand up 578 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:28,280 in a court of law 579 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:30,770 right it's got to be factual and and 580 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:33,290 strangely enough though um you know what 581 00:25:39,310 --> 00:25:36,250 I do believe is experiencers abductees 582 00:25:42,670 --> 00:25:39,320 contactees however they they you know 583 00:25:44,890 --> 00:25:42,680 define themselves we are on the front 584 00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,900 cutting line of something new and 585 00:25:50,140 --> 00:25:47,120 there's a tremendous amount of 586 00:25:52,210 --> 00:25:50,150 information there that is available that 587 00:25:55,030 --> 00:25:52,220 may not be available anywhere else so if 588 00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:55,040 indeed let's say that just even 10% of 589 00:26:01,420 --> 00:25:57,230 the cases of abduction and contact that 590 00:26:04,090 --> 00:26:01,430 we see or hear about say that 10% are 591 00:26:07,390 --> 00:26:04,100 solid and valid and and there's some 592 00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:07,400 real concrete information there my god I 593 00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:10,100 mean you're talking about face-to-face 594 00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:13,520 with off-planet life face to face 595 00:26:19,810 --> 00:26:15,860 communication we're seeing technology 596 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:19,820 we're seeing you know amazing things 597 00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:22,970 being on a craft or or I mean there's 598 00:26:27,850 --> 00:26:25,430 just so many things that if we see 599 00:26:32,110 --> 00:26:27,860 firsthand so the more that we can find a 600 00:26:34,540 --> 00:26:32,120 way to succinctly put this out into the 601 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:34,550 world the more quickly the whole 602 00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:36,950 consciousness of the planet is going to 603 00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:39,950 start to accept that we are more than 604 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:42,440 just earth people you know we have a 605 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:44,390 place out there and it that's why this 606 00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:46,310 whole area is so important to me because 607 00:26:49,630 --> 00:26:47,990 this is the evolution of human 608 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:49,640 consciousness that we're all at right 609 00:26:52,660 --> 00:26:51,410 now and it's vitally important I loved 610 00:26:54,550 --> 00:26:52,670 what you were talking about earlier 611 00:26:56,770 --> 00:26:54,560 Jimmy I loved it and you're absolutely 612 00:26:59,920 --> 00:26:56,780 right all these changes you were still 613 00:27:02,440 --> 00:26:59,930 using gunpowder etc etc it's time to 614 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:02,450 change and this is arena that you're 615 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:03,890 working in that I'm working 616 00:27:08,350 --> 00:27:05,930 is a vital area that can make a big 617 00:27:10,150 --> 00:27:08,360 difference if we present it with our 618 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:10,160 feet on the ground our guest tonight 619 00:27:14,890 --> 00:27:13,010 Nadine Leila let's take our break right 620 00:27:17,410 --> 00:27:14,900 here this is fade to black we are 621 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:17,420 talking about her new book it is out and 622 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:19,010 the links are up at Jimmy Church radio 623 00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:22,730 calm alien experiences book to evolution 624 00:27:28,930 --> 00:27:26,240 coming to terms with the et presence on 625 00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:28,940 the GameChanger network and Katie RA the 626 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:31,900 planet stay with us we'll be right back 627 00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:56,360 this is fade to black 628 00:28:02,000 --> 00:27:58,500 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 629 00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:02,010 radio network @kg RA the Global Radio 630 00:28:09,530 --> 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and you're 703 00:31:19,870 --> 00:31:17,620 listening to Jimmy Church revolution 704 00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:19,880 this is Jimmy Church of fade to black 705 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:22,220 and you can become an official fader not 706 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:24,770 by just going to our membership section 707 00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:27,970 at Jimmy Church radio.com 708 00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:30,500 hello this is Serena right kayla from 709 00:31:35,290 --> 00:31:32,780 conscious life expo and you're listening 710 00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:35,300 to fade to black with Jimmy Church who 711 00:31:42,299 --> 00:31:37,550 holds the lucky pony record for the best 712 00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:42,309 astrological chart since 1963 true story 713 00:31:46,419 --> 00:31:44,840 this is Micah Hank's of a gray lien 714 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:46,429 report and you're listening to Jimmy 715 00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:48,770 church on fade to black across the globe 716 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:50,870 on the GameChanger radio network and the 717 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:54,050 one and only kgr a radio the planet 718 00:31:58,330 --> 00:31:58,050 [Music] 719 00:32:13,770 --> 00:31:58,340 [Applause] 720 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:13,780 [Music] 721 00:32:18,420 --> 00:32:16,310 welcome back fade to black I am your 722 00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:18,430 host Jimmy church tonight Nadine Laila 723 00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:20,660 tomorrow night a producer of the movie 724 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:23,990 Bakst adel big tree will be with us and 725 00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:27,290 Wednesday night Bruce our fenton his new 726 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:30,950 book out about hybrid humans it was also 727 00:32:34,690 --> 00:32:33,530 just released a few days ago our guest 728 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:34,700 tonight Nadine laid 'let's 729 00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:37,010 and we're discussing her new book alien 730 00:32:42,130 --> 00:32:39,980 experiences book 2 evolution coming to 731 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:42,140 terms with the et presence and Nadine 732 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:44,690 right before the break we started to 733 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:49,510 talk about other abductees and and their 734 00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:53,210 experiences and as we jump into this I 735 00:33:06,190 --> 00:32:57,620 always say that millions of millions of 736 00:33:08,530 --> 00:33:06,200 people can't be delusional and I trying 737 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:08,540 to come turn to come to terms with it I 738 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:11,570 haven't had an experience I've certainly 739 00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,170 interviewed many experiencers but I've 740 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:18,080 had a couple of strange experiences that 741 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:22,130 I've in a general sense kept everything 742 00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:24,530 to myself kept it private for a lot of 743 00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:26,600 reasons one I'm a radio host right and 744 00:33:32,770 --> 00:33:28,670 if I sit there and tell every single 745 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:32,780 detail about it then I could potentially 746 00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:35,510 mess up other people's experiences and 747 00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,190 and I don't want to do that I don't want 748 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:39,440 to loot the experience but I do hear the 749 00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:43,070 little details that only I know when I'm 750 00:33:48,670 --> 00:33:46,880 speaking with somebody and I always step 751 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:48,680 back and go okay this is something that 752 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:51,530 and I don't want to I don't want to 753 00:33:58,570 --> 00:33:53,330 freak people out I don't want to go dude 754 00:34:01,660 --> 00:33:58,580 it really happened I don't want to do 755 00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:01,670 that I because we're all somewhat 756 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:04,940 traumatized by it because it alters our 757 00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:08,630 reality doesn't it sure does alters and 758 00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:14,720 it expands greatly so so what are the I 759 00:34:20,770 --> 00:34:18,320 just said let's not reveal but but it is 760 00:34:22,990 --> 00:34:20,780 interesting in that there are certain 761 00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:23,000 aspects to this and you detail it in the 762 00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:24,839 book both of them 763 00:34:31,759 --> 00:34:27,679 there are certain things that are very 764 00:34:33,529 --> 00:34:31,769 consistent in cases most of them are 765 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:33,539 completely different because we're 766 00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,729 talking about different types of beings 767 00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,960 that are coming here they're not all 768 00:34:41,509 --> 00:34:38,639 coming from the same planet or the same 769 00:34:42,739 --> 00:34:41,519 star system so those experiences are 770 00:34:45,319 --> 00:34:42,749 going to be different but a lot of them 771 00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,329 are the same aren't they well they are 772 00:34:48,529 --> 00:34:47,099 you know but somebody will say to me 773 00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:48,539 well you know what do you think they 774 00:34:51,049 --> 00:34:48,960 want 775 00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:51,059 well they who are they you know we don't 776 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:52,919 know how many species are out there I 777 00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:55,169 mean my goodness look at this universe I 778 00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:58,680 mean and so I can only reference the 779 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:01,380 experiences that I have and what I am 780 00:35:07,059 --> 00:35:04,170 consciously aware of having contacted so 781 00:35:10,339 --> 00:35:07,069 I can look at those species be they 782 00:35:12,279 --> 00:35:10,349 physical from somewhere on the Stars be 783 00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:12,289 they interdimensional or both whatever 784 00:35:18,499 --> 00:35:15,950 these entities are you know I've had 785 00:35:20,209 --> 00:35:18,509 certain experiences with certain ones 786 00:35:21,499 --> 00:35:20,219 and each one is sort of like on this 787 00:35:23,660 --> 00:35:21,509 world is you know we look at how 788 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:23,670 fragmented our whole planet is and the 789 00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:25,170 truth is is that everybody has different 790 00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:27,420 agenda everybody has a different 791 00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:29,640 background you know in these these 792 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:31,859 different life forms they have totally 793 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:33,690 different experiences that could be 794 00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:35,609 around hundreds of thousands of years 795 00:35:40,729 --> 00:35:39,599 millions years and different agendas but 796 00:35:43,249 --> 00:35:40,739 you know you're talking about the 797 00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,259 mentioning name when you have that aha 798 00:35:47,539 --> 00:35:45,599 moment you keep things to yourself I had 799 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:47,549 an experience once and it must have been 800 00:35:53,809 --> 00:35:51,450 it was probably God I don't know around 801 00:35:57,259 --> 00:35:53,819 2006 I didn't have this one in the book 802 00:35:58,729 --> 00:35:57,269 but it had to do with a light coming 803 00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:58,739 into my room while I was brushing my 804 00:36:01,789 --> 00:36:00,420 teeth at night but one of the things 805 00:36:03,769 --> 00:36:01,799 that happened is this light kind of 806 00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:03,779 exploded in the room while I was getting 807 00:36:09,259 --> 00:36:05,400 ready to go to bed I had the television 808 00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:09,269 on and it it then it went up to the 809 00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:11,190 ceiling and it turned into all these 810 00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:14,880 like hub almost like a spotlight coming 811 00:36:18,799 --> 00:36:16,710 down and then it had all these blue 812 00:36:20,989 --> 00:36:18,809 sparkles in it well I never told anybody 813 00:36:23,299 --> 00:36:20,999 that and it was some some years later 814 00:36:25,549 --> 00:36:23,309 that I was looking at another case of a 815 00:36:28,339 --> 00:36:25,559 fellow down in Florida and he described 816 00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:28,349 the exact same experience and I had 817 00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:32,190 never told anyone about that one there 818 00:36:37,009 --> 00:36:34,440 wasn't enough partly there wasn't enough 819 00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:37,019 information about it one of the things 820 00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:38,550 that's interesting people debate about 821 00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:39,960 to whether or not a conscious experience 822 00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:43,560 is to be respected more than a retrieved 823 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:45,540 experience through hypnosis and I say 824 00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:48,570 both you know in my experience only one 825 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:50,940 the the one has enhanced the other 826 00:36:55,820 --> 00:36:52,890 giving me more information there's been 827 00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:55,830 a lot of aha moments where I never told 828 00:36:59,900 --> 00:36:57,660 anyone and then I hear the whole story 829 00:37:01,820 --> 00:36:59,910 and like you say all of a sudden uh-huh 830 00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:01,830 and you step a little closer to 831 00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:03,240 accepting that next level 832 00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:08,550 I have subconsciously observed something 833 00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:10,590 I don't really talk about it too often 834 00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:15,590 but it appears to me Nadine that the 835 00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:20,880 abduction experience I I almost expect 836 00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:25,230 it to come from a woman I don't hear it 837 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:27,000 you know we know about Travis Walton 838 00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,560 right no you know about that he and 839 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:30,960 Barney Hill and and Barney's experiences 840 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:33,330 that those those stories are out there 841 00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:35,970 those experiences are out there but I 842 00:37:43,070 --> 00:37:39,480 don't hear it as much from the male side 843 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:43,080 of society as I do female and now is 844 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:45,210 that my imagination or is that part of 845 00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:48,330 reality oh no no I I think you know I 846 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:50,670 think there is a gender issue there not 847 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:53,010 a negative issue but I think you know 848 00:37:58,070 --> 00:37:55,650 men are forced into roles just like 849 00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,080 women are still you know and one of the 850 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:00,240 things men gets laid on them still too 851 00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:04,410 many times is about you know how they're 852 00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:06,390 supposed to appear about being in 853 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:08,940 control you know and in what you're 854 00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:12,090 looking at here is a tremendous loss of 855 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:14,670 control when these experiences you find 856 00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:15,510 yourself in the middle of these 857 00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:19,260 experiences now women have a different 858 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:21,540 experience that gender has a different 859 00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:24,690 experience of living in life you know we 860 00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:26,700 we have an entirely different nature in 861 00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:29,430 many ways than men do but men also get 862 00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:31,710 you know they get locked in because of 863 00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:33,270 what's how society expects them to 864 00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:36,150 behave some of these things are very 865 00:38:43,610 --> 00:38:42,180 tender and very private not pleasant 866 00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:43,620 experiences especially when you're 867 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:44,790 talking about things happen you 868 00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:46,890 somebody's physical body mm-hmm you know 869 00:38:51,860 --> 00:38:50,070 very very touchy stuff and 870 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:51,870 nobody really wants to talk about it 871 00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:54,090 what happens here during some of these 872 00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,460 experiences these encounters and you 873 00:39:00,440 --> 00:38:58,320 know it doesn't have it only happens 874 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:00,450 through a certain length of time a lot 875 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:02,130 of people it stops happening to once 876 00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:04,650 they hit menopause for the women but 877 00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:06,870 these are very touchy areas and subjects 878 00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,000 and I totally understand why it could be 879 00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,040 more difficult for men to talk about so 880 00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:13,200 are you suggesting that it's it's 881 00:39:20,830 --> 00:39:18,710 probably equal 5050 but men just oh 882 00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:20,840 absolutely 883 00:39:29,090 --> 00:39:25,110 and especially the fact that they're 884 00:39:30,830 --> 00:39:29,100 most probably is only my hypotheses to 885 00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:30,840 this point that there is some kind of 886 00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:32,340 breeding program that there is some kind 887 00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:34,230 of hybrid program and they are taking 888 00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,750 genetic material from men and women and 889 00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:38,880 I also believe at this point that 890 00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:40,980 there's a very good possibility that 891 00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:44,700 they are you know trying to eliminate 892 00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:46,860 some of the aspects in humanity they're 893 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:49,110 working on our bodily form I can't touch 894 00:39:55,010 --> 00:39:50,850 our spirit but they're working on our 895 00:39:56,810 --> 00:39:55,020 bodily form of humans and it may or may 896 00:39:59,930 --> 00:39:56,820 not be something where they are trying 897 00:40:01,820 --> 00:39:59,940 to breed out if you will some of our 898 00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:01,830 hostility you were talking about it 899 00:40:06,350 --> 00:40:03,990 earlier and it's pretty freaky it's 900 00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:06,360 pretty unbelievable that we are still at 901 00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:09,900 that level now nobody wants no man wants 902 00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:11,820 to go through what Whitley Strieber went 903 00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:16,110 through there's that part of it and then 904 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:19,260 there's checks itself Jimmy yes you know 905 00:40:24,830 --> 00:40:22,290 we protect ourselves and and the mind is 906 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:24,840 a beautiful thing and you know in my own 907 00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:26,610 life I've had some other issues I've had 908 00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:28,260 to deal with in my life and what I see 909 00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:31,830 is that when when you are ready and you 910 00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:34,950 have the tools emotionally mentally to 911 00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:37,020 to comprehend to deal with the next 912 00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:39,030 level of your own personal experience 913 00:40:48,490 --> 00:40:41,190 evolution they said conscious mind will 914 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:48,500 give you a little more now well because 915 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:51,930 it is it's uncomfortable for anybody to 916 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:55,530 talk about 'men private circles at UFO 917 00:41:00,260 --> 00:40:57,690 conferences on the radio with your 918 00:41:01,870 --> 00:41:00,270 friends probably you're gonna discuss it 919 00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:01,880 with yourself when you're alone 920 00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:06,200 in your mind and for you you went 921 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:07,880 through those experiences here you're 922 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:11,090 professional in as as a legal 923 00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:13,970 professional you can't just start 924 00:41:17,350 --> 00:41:15,830 talking about this stuff around the 925 00:41:20,410 --> 00:41:17,360 office you can't do it 926 00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:20,420 and many have those same blockages out 927 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:22,940 there in society don't they well we're 928 00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:25,730 absolutely we're facing it first of all 929 00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:27,740 it's difficult to accept your own trauma 930 00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:30,580 then you know it's and if it has any 931 00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:33,260 element of a sexual nature to it which 932 00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:35,150 the breeding program or the hybrid 933 00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:37,880 program certainly does then you go and 934 00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:40,070 you work in different environments and 935 00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:41,990 they don't want to hear about it you 936 00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:43,550 know in the in the law firm of course 937 00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:45,020 you know working in law from all the 938 00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,870 years that I did that's you know we're 939 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:49,760 all left brain we don't we don't go 940 00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:51,050 there you don't talk about that you 941 00:41:55,390 --> 00:41:53,240 don't spend one second in a law firm off 942 00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:55,400 of working on your cases and that's just 943 00:41:59,170 --> 00:41:57,110 not something you want revealed and I 944 00:42:01,090 --> 00:41:59,180 was very nervous about that for a while 945 00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:01,100 because I the last firm I was at for 946 00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:02,780 about 10 years when I wrote the first 947 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:05,390 book with Barbara Lam you know I was 948 00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:07,370 very nervous about that but what's 949 00:42:13,570 --> 00:42:11,390 interesting too is that the people that 950 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:13,580 you find when you have some of these 951 00:42:19,090 --> 00:42:16,850 extraordinary experiences okay I I 952 00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:19,100 believe I'm a very grounded person but 953 00:42:24,070 --> 00:42:22,220 these experiences are extraordinary okay 954 00:42:26,830 --> 00:42:24,080 but you know what I've found is that 955 00:42:29,710 --> 00:42:26,840 those closest to me the friends and 956 00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:29,720 family are the ones least able to accept 957 00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:32,060 it and least willing to listen to it 958 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:36,230 it's the strangers those that yeah is it 959 00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:40,490 changing though and what I mean by that 960 00:42:47,530 --> 00:42:44,560 is maybe it more directly because 961 00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,540 depends on what you watch but if you're 962 00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,000 watching Fox or you're watching CNN and 963 00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:51,920 you're watching all of this UFO alien 964 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:53,470 coverage over the last couple of years 965 00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:56,690 does that does that start to open things 966 00:43:01,450 --> 00:42:58,420 up with friends and family and coworkers 967 00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:01,460 well I think it's happening I mean I you 968 00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:03,350 know I work on my own now you know out 969 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:04,670 of my own office I don't work for 970 00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:08,290 somebody else right now but you know 971 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:10,870 obviously shows like yours 972 00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:13,130 coast-to-coast so many people are out 973 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:14,480 there putting this out here 974 00:43:18,490 --> 00:43:16,970 and it's so vital it's so important do I 975 00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:18,500 say I think it's changing yeah 976 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:20,990 absolutely it's changing I think it's I 977 00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:23,450 think you know give us another 20 25 978 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:24,980 years I mean it doesn't happen in a 979 00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:27,170 minute but we will eventually I believe 980 00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,150 start talking about abductions like we 981 00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:31,040 do with the UFOs I really believe that 982 00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:33,260 how do you get people to open up about 983 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:37,040 it well I think you can segue you know 984 00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:39,710 because if you live long enough and you 985 00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:43,430 you hinting at some of your own unusual 986 00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:46,280 experiences you've had if you live long 987 00:43:51,490 --> 00:43:49,640 enough you have things happen and you 988 00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:51,500 know we have programs out there about 989 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:54,740 ghosts life after death 990 00:43:59,170 --> 00:43:57,050 you know consciousness there are there's 991 00:44:02,800 --> 00:43:59,180 theories out here that we're living in a 992 00:44:06,970 --> 00:44:02,810 hologram if you live long enough and you 993 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:06,980 are in a reasonably open-minded and what 994 00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:08,690 we see out there in the media today what 995 00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:11,150 we see on television you know there are 996 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:13,910 you these programs are fabulous Gaius 997 00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:15,410 out there doing its thing you know all 998 00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,280 these conferences that are going on it's 999 00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:21,440 a strange place that we find ourselves 1000 00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:26,000 and the alien abduction issue is really 1001 00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:30,380 only one of many I believe and now how 1002 00:44:36,610 --> 00:44:33,830 do we okay it's one thing to to talk 1003 00:44:39,340 --> 00:44:36,620 about videos right we see them on TV 1004 00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:39,350 the talk is out there that that's one 1005 00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,070 aspect of this but another another point 1006 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:46,400 that I think is it's getting louder and 1007 00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,370 louder in this community is human 1008 00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:51,680 hybrids in a program going on out there 1009 00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,230 the possibility of our government being 1010 00:44:58,410 --> 00:44:56,480 involved I'm speaking about my lab and 1011 00:45:01,600 --> 00:44:58,420 then of course alien abductions 1012 00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:01,610 themselves this is another part of it I 1013 00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:04,880 think society can it can can rationalize 1014 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:07,790 we're being visited and and look at that 1015 00:45:15,370 --> 00:45:10,310 evidence it's a whole nother thing for 1016 00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:15,380 society to start to accept this and and 1017 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:19,190 get that communication oh yeah 1018 00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:22,010 everybody's gonna talk about the bus the 1019 00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,960 shape of the bus when the bus showed up 1020 00:45:26,990 --> 00:45:25,520 when it left but they're not gonna talk 1021 00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:27,000 about who's driving the bus 1022 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:30,900 that's right and it's difficult that's 1023 00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,410 the challenge I mean you know what I 1024 00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,500 really find in end is that those that 1025 00:45:41,090 --> 00:45:38,640 have been closest to me 1026 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:41,100 well ultimately what they've had to say 1027 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:44,010 is it scares it scares me to death 1028 00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:46,890 because if you know me if you knew me 1029 00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,390 personally you're gonna see that I'm a 1030 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:50,400 very grounded person I don't jump to 1031 00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:52,650 conclusions I don't run around with a 1032 00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:54,630 lot of drama in my life it just isn't 1033 00:45:59,090 --> 00:45:57,210 there so that's the point if somebody 1034 00:46:01,930 --> 00:45:59,100 knows you well and you are a grounded 1035 00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:01,940 person and you tell them this oh my god 1036 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:05,280 that means you know the first thing is 1037 00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,290 just like what happened to me in that 1038 00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:09,420 that first experience of conscious 1039 00:46:14,330 --> 00:46:12,390 experience was you know I was 1040 00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:14,340 traumatized by it I was terrified what 1041 00:46:17,090 --> 00:46:15,480 does it mean you know think I've 1042 00:46:18,350 --> 00:46:17,100 actually had somebody say to me 1043 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:18,360 well if I'm friends with you do you 1044 00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,130 think they're gonna come and get me 1045 00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:25,200 natural I can't blame somebody for and 1046 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:29,100 let me tell you why ad when and the 1047 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:32,130 audience listening right now all of you 1048 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:34,170 if he ever get a chance to meet Nadine 1049 00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:38,130 go up say hello and just observe who she 1050 00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:42,840 is because you never know walking down 1051 00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:45,540 the street who is gonna have these kinds 1052 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:48,420 of experiences because you Nadine are a 1053 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:51,090 professional you dress as a professional 1054 00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:53,370 you look perfect you speak professional 1055 00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:56,190 you're the last person that anybody 1056 00:47:02,690 --> 00:46:58,770 would suspect of having these 1057 00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:02,700 experiences which suggests to me that we 1058 00:47:07,820 --> 00:47:05,160 can't be judgmental we need to be very 1059 00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,830 careful about this don't we we do we 1060 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:10,560 really do and respect you know I I 1061 00:47:14,330 --> 00:47:12,570 remember doing I don't know was a I 1062 00:47:16,610 --> 00:47:14,340 don't know what show it was it was a 1063 00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:16,620 discovery program or something and I was 1064 00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:18,540 one of four people being interviewed for 1065 00:47:24,110 --> 00:47:21,240 the show and a couple of people one on 1066 00:47:27,590 --> 00:47:24,120 each side of me were just very aroused 1067 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:27,600 and flailing arms and their presentation 1068 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:32,970 was was very excited and animated very 1069 00:47:36,830 --> 00:47:34,050 animated 1070 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:36,840 and they had difficulty staying focused 1071 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:40,530 and you know it's it's not an easy thing 1072 00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:42,690 if you aren't already 1073 00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,220 you know accustomed to speaking 1074 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:46,560 accustomed to you know putting ideas out 1075 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:49,170 there on paper or you know I've done a 1076 00:47:53,570 --> 00:47:51,450 lot of other talks in other areas if you 1077 00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:53,580 haven't done that and then you're gonna 1078 00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:55,560 stand up and talk about this it's very 1079 00:48:02,120 --> 00:47:58,610 challenging but it in no way whatsoever 1080 00:48:04,850 --> 00:48:02,130 does it suggest that their experiences 1081 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:04,860 might not be real it's it could be just 1082 00:48:09,020 --> 00:48:06,930 as real for them as anybody else 1083 00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:09,030 presenting perfectly and beautifully it 1084 00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:10,920 really doesn't matter they just may not 1085 00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:13,470 have the exact same skill set or have 1086 00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:15,240 processed it long enough in order to 1087 00:48:20,330 --> 00:48:18,120 present it calmly you know in an orderly 1088 00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:20,340 fashion but it's vital it's vital 1089 00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:22,320 information do you practice this 1090 00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:27,180 technique with your family tell me the 1091 00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:33,390 truth I mean I just have to know I yeah 1092 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:35,310 yeah let's just stay with the first 1093 00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:38,610 question I have 110 I mean do you do you 1094 00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:41,880 practice this how how accepting are they 1095 00:49:02,510 --> 00:48:58,980 today this has been a process over a lot 1096 00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:02,520 of years now you know since before when 1097 00:49:05,810 --> 00:49:03,900 I started talking about it and coming 1098 00:49:08,020 --> 00:49:05,820 out you know it's like anything else the 1099 00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:08,030 more comfortable you are with yourself 1100 00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:11,190 with your own reality the more 1101 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:12,510 comfortable somebody else is going to 1102 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:16,410 become with it you know yeah you have to 1103 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,330 be you know I've explored myself and my 1104 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:19,920 experiences enough and certainly when 1105 00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:21,930 you're writing books my god you got to 1106 00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,670 go through it all you got to relive it 1107 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:25,920 all go through it all and you know 1108 00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,330 eventually you come to a place where 1109 00:49:32,540 --> 00:49:30,240 there's a good measure of acceptance you 1110 00:49:34,070 --> 00:49:32,550 know and people see that and it gives 1111 00:49:36,980 --> 00:49:34,080 them the confidence to start to look at 1112 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:36,990 it over time yeah and you know for all 1113 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:40,290 of us because I go through this too for 1114 00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:43,530 sure in that I know I'm going to a 1115 00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:45,720 family gathering and I know that I've 1116 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:47,160 got cousins or somebody else 1117 00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:49,410 okay you're crazy uncle Jimmy's gonna be 1118 00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:54,000 here right is it like that for you right 1119 00:50:02,750 --> 00:49:56,280 your crazy aunt maybe it's gonna be here 1120 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:02,760 don't mention UFOs it was I'd say if you 1121 00:50:08,350 --> 00:50:04,970 go back ten years ago I saw more of that 1122 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:08,360 but in my life there's more you know 1123 00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:10,890 cousins first cousins second cousins I 1124 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:13,320 don't know how many of those I got but 1125 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:16,290 no over over the years I think that as I 1126 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:18,690 have matured in the study of this 1127 00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:20,730 acceptance of this so have the people 1128 00:50:26,810 --> 00:50:24,420 around me and so you know it's it's an 1129 00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:26,820 entirely do I guess actually over time I 1130 00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:30,150 feel much more respected in in sharing 1131 00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:33,480 my experiences and what I'm researching 1132 00:50:41,530 --> 00:50:37,140 now there I think oh I'm sorry I just 1133 00:50:44,570 --> 00:50:41,540 cut you off okay you mentioned earlier 1134 00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:44,580 it sounds to me I don't want to answer 1135 00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:47,550 your question or my question for you but 1136 00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:49,710 it sounds to me like you haven't come to 1137 00:51:01,040 --> 00:50:58,530 conclusions either no I I mean this 1138 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:01,050 thing is you know one of the things for 1139 00:51:06,110 --> 00:51:03,690 many years you know I've I've I've been 1140 00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:06,120 a meditator for many years and I've had 1141 00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:08,040 a lot of unusual experiences associated 1142 00:51:15,260 --> 00:51:10,980 with my spiritual path my spiritual path 1143 00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:15,270 is very very important to me and I won't 1144 00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:16,740 go into it but I've had some very 1145 00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:18,780 strange things happen in my life and 1146 00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:21,990 I've almost died seven times now that's 1147 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:24,660 unrelated to this totally unrelated but 1148 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:29,970 I've explored some areas out of need to 1149 00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:32,370 comprehend this universe's world I'm in 1150 00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:41,040 and you know it's it's it goes back to 1151 00:51:46,220 --> 00:51:43,110 being its it this is a process for me 1152 00:51:49,460 --> 00:51:46,230 and I I don't you know the moment you 1153 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:49,470 lock in you lock out that's right and so 1154 00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:52,050 I don't want to lock in too tight I will 1155 00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:54,540 tell you that do I believe there is life 1156 00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,000 in the universe multiple species 1157 00:52:01,269 --> 00:51:58,880 throughout the universe I will 1158 00:52:03,279 --> 00:52:01,279 absolutely on that do I believe that 1159 00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,289 this paranormal experiences have 1160 00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:06,160 happened to me that appear to be alien 1161 00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:10,190 abductions military involvement yes I 1162 00:52:15,759 --> 00:52:14,089 believe they may be am i a hundred 1163 00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:15,769 percent certain I can't be a hundred 1164 00:52:20,410 --> 00:52:18,710 percent of anything you know I know that 1165 00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,420 a hundred percent I'm here right now but 1166 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:21,920 my god I don't even know what kind of 1167 00:52:26,049 --> 00:52:24,410 universe I live in really you know what 1168 00:52:27,819 --> 00:52:26,059 are we perceiving each person walking 1169 00:52:30,460 --> 00:52:27,829 around has their own set of perceptions 1170 00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,470 that they're looking at the world so I 1171 00:52:35,470 --> 00:52:33,440 like staying loose there's a certain 1172 00:52:38,109 --> 00:52:35,480 amount of it and at this point do I do I 1173 00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:38,119 think there's a good possibility that 1174 00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:39,680 we're being visited with multi-species 1175 00:52:45,069 --> 00:52:41,750 yes do I think it's a good possibility 1176 00:52:47,019 --> 00:52:45,079 there's a hybrid program yes do I think 1177 00:52:49,299 --> 00:52:47,029 that I have been involved with that 1178 00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,309 involved possibly with military 1179 00:52:53,769 --> 00:52:51,440 abductions yes I think it's a good 1180 00:52:56,769 --> 00:52:53,779 possibility I think we may have been 1181 00:52:58,749 --> 00:52:56,779 seated on this planet you know I will 1182 00:53:00,789 --> 00:52:58,759 not say a hundred percent but I you know 1183 00:53:02,829 --> 00:53:00,799 I kind of look at it in percentages that 1184 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:02,839 way that makes me more comfortable the 1185 00:53:10,089 --> 00:53:05,930 more I learn the more time goes by that 1186 00:53:11,769 --> 00:53:10,099 I study the more I move forward now 1187 00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,779 we're gonna be headed towards a break 1188 00:53:16,839 --> 00:53:13,359 here when we come back we're gonna 1189 00:53:21,749 --> 00:53:16,849 really go deep into the military side of 1190 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:24,789 not only because of what it is and the 1191 00:53:31,180 --> 00:53:28,970 thoughts of that but if our governments 1192 00:53:34,749 --> 00:53:31,190 that I've said this a million times 1193 00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:34,759 Nadine and I really mean this if if a 1194 00:53:40,990 --> 00:53:38,470 UFO that we see in the sky is not 1195 00:53:44,259 --> 00:53:41,000 interstellar and it's us and our 1196 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:44,269 technology and and borrowed or whatever 1197 00:53:50,490 --> 00:53:47,450 but it's us and not them and that's 1198 00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:50,500 being held from us that's probably 1199 00:54:00,249 --> 00:53:56,559 scarier to me than having it be alien I 1200 00:54:02,349 --> 00:54:00,259 think that is a huge conspiracy any less 1201 00:54:04,809 --> 00:54:02,359 right yeah and I'm much more frightened 1202 00:54:07,420 --> 00:54:04,819 of humans than I am ETS I'm totally him 1203 00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:07,430 I totally am and that would be bit like 1204 00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:10,609 the et aspect of it for me is easy it's 1205 00:54:14,290 --> 00:54:12,740 like okay of course 1206 00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:14,300 of course what did you think we're alone 1207 00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:16,220 in the universe okay that makes total 1208 00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:19,070 sense on the flip side of some of this 1209 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:22,670 is our government playing this and and 1210 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:24,530 not revealing it and keeping that part 1211 00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:26,330 of it secret I think that is a much 1212 00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:29,540 bigger story as strange as that may seem 1213 00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:32,990 to say that is probably closer to the 1214 00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:35,510 truth of what we should be scared of and 1215 00:54:41,470 --> 00:54:38,110 what we should be looking towards right 1216 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:41,480 mm-hmm I agree let's take a break yeah 1217 00:54:44,350 --> 00:54:42,890 let's take a break right here let's get 1218 00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,360 this in I got to do it I got to pay the 1219 00:54:49,810 --> 00:54:46,640 bills so let's do this this is fade to 1220 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:49,820 black our guest tonight Nadine Laila 1221 00:54:53,230 --> 00:54:51,290 this is gonna be a great conversation 1222 00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:53,240 it's gonna continue after this break 1223 00:54:58,540 --> 00:54:55,310 we're talking about her new book alien 1224 00:55:00,760 --> 00:54:58,550 experiences book to evolution coming to 1225 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:00,770 terms with the et presence on the 1226 00:55:05,230 --> 00:55:03,170 GameChanger network and que GRA the 1227 00:55:08,890 --> 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1298 00:58:30,220 --> 00:58:28,700 paranormal talk entertainment including 1299 00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:30,230 the network you're listening to right 1300 00:58:38,740 --> 00:58:33,260 now the paranormal radio app free in 1301 00:58:40,330 --> 00:58:38,750 Google Play and the iOS App Store you 1302 00:58:42,490 --> 00:58:40,340 are listening to fade to black 1303 00:58:47,290 --> 00:58:42,500 with Ginny Church on the game changer 1304 00:58:49,330 --> 00:58:47,300 Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're 1305 00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:49,340 listening to Jimmy Church this is 1306 00:59:01,580 --> 00:58:52,310 revolution the revolution will not be 1307 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:36,160 [Music] 1308 00:59:40,809 --> 00:59:38,770 [Applause] 1309 00:59:41,770 --> 00:59:40,819 welcome back fade to black our meal 1310 00:59:45,819 --> 00:59:41,780 should be Church our guest tonight 1311 00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:45,829 Nadine Leila now if you ever miss a live 1312 00:59:51,339 --> 00:59:48,680 shows live radio show we broadcast on 1313 00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:51,349 all kinds of syndicated networks it's 1314 00:59:55,870 --> 00:59:53,660 great but if you ever miss a live show 1315 00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,880 and you want to listen to driving to 1316 01:00:00,670 --> 00:59:58,400 work in the morning get our podcast it's 1317 01:00:03,789 --> 01:00:00,680 just two dollars per month that's it two 1318 01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:03,799 dollars per month you have over 1200 1319 01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,520 archived shows including Naviance first 1320 01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:09,680 interview that we did seven years ago 1321 01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,160 can you believe it maybe I don't even 1322 01:00:25,059 --> 01:00:17,839 know if I want to go back and listen to 1323 01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:25,069 that seven years ago but that's the 1324 01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:26,720 reason to get the podcast right there 1325 01:00:32,859 --> 01:00:29,569 you get to get everything including 1326 01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:32,869 Navis a very important show I think that 1327 01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,390 I always thought that you presented 1328 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:38,240 yourself in a very professional way but 1329 01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:40,490 but I think that today you're a lot more 1330 01:00:47,410 --> 01:00:45,230 grounded in back then it's when you're 1331 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:47,420 when you're heading out into the UFO 1332 01:00:53,230 --> 01:00:50,569 world and the UFO community it it can be 1333 01:00:55,150 --> 01:00:53,240 a minefield you know yeah and and you've 1334 01:00:59,319 --> 01:00:55,160 got to be very careful where you step 1335 01:01:01,000 --> 01:00:59,329 and you know and you've come a long way 1336 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:01,010 in your research 1337 01:01:04,660 --> 01:01:02,569 I was shaky early on when I first 1338 01:01:07,690 --> 01:01:04,670 started talking about it it was it was 1339 01:01:10,539 --> 01:01:07,700 challenging I think probably oh seven oh 1340 01:01:13,299 --> 01:01:10,549 eight is when I first stepped up to talk 1341 01:01:16,690 --> 01:01:13,309 about it and it was difficult well okay 1342 01:01:21,579 --> 01:01:16,700 so we're gonna talk about my lab right 1343 01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:21,589 now and going back to an 18 don't take 1344 01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:23,510 this the wrong way I want you to take 1345 01:01:29,380 --> 01:01:26,960 this the right way okay okay when you 1346 01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:29,390 started to talk about the military 1347 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:32,510 aspect of this and I sat up in my chair 1348 01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:35,210 and I'm very focused listening to you 1349 01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:39,049 your voice was shaky you were nervous 1350 01:01:45,490 --> 01:01:43,369 you know and and I I remember thinking 1351 01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:45,500 to myself she's going through she's 1352 01:01:49,390 --> 01:01:47,089 describing you know something pretty 1353 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:49,400 traumatic that she went through here but 1354 01:01:55,309 --> 01:01:51,690 she's also talking about 1355 01:01:58,339 --> 01:01:55,319 or the possibility of our nation's 1356 01:02:01,280 --> 01:01:58,349 government being involved and I was 1357 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:01,290 captivated and there was one thing I 1358 01:02:07,609 --> 01:02:06,210 want to go to the if you remember the 1359 01:02:10,099 --> 01:02:07,619 presentation that you did this 1360 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:10,109 experience that was underground but you 1361 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:11,490 said something there 1362 01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:14,250 you said you looked around the room and 1363 01:02:18,530 --> 01:02:16,200 now remember this was seven years ago if 1364 01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:18,540 I'm wrong in some aspects of it that's 1365 01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:21,990 you know because again even though it's 1366 01:02:26,839 --> 01:02:24,329 some of this is in your new book this 1367 01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:26,849 was also the first time I had heard it 1368 01:02:32,359 --> 01:02:29,670 and I didn't get to hit rewind okay 1369 01:02:34,550 --> 01:02:32,369 right it's coming at me but you said 1370 01:02:37,569 --> 01:02:34,560 this you said so you looked around the 1371 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:37,579 room and you could see different 1372 01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:42,810 representations of a VT but standing in 1373 01:02:51,260 --> 01:02:47,790 the background were men in uniform and I 1374 01:02:54,260 --> 01:02:51,270 sat up and what did you just say and 1375 01:02:57,530 --> 01:02:54,270 that could only suggest one thing right 1376 01:03:00,440 --> 01:02:57,540 cooperation involved really maybe even 1377 01:03:02,569 --> 01:03:00,450 something staged completely right that 1378 01:03:06,140 --> 01:03:02,579 it could be that too as well and it was 1379 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:06,150 done to mess and that's another aspect 1380 01:03:10,190 --> 01:03:08,010 of my life that I want to get into 1381 01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:10,200 tonight that that really freaks me out 1382 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:12,000 that some of this could be intentional 1383 01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:14,970 to mess with people so let's go back to 1384 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:17,640 that experience underground what what 1385 01:03:25,849 --> 01:03:22,410 happened there well first of all I do 1386 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:25,859 want to preface this with I don't think 1387 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:27,810 the government is trying to mess with us 1388 01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:32,250 by presenting us with showing that 1389 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:35,430 they're working with ETS I I don't I 1390 01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:37,290 don't get that at least from my 1391 01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:39,180 experience I don't feel that they were 1392 01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:41,040 trying to mess with me I don't think 1393 01:03:44,809 --> 01:03:42,780 this you know we get the term screen 1394 01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:44,819 memory when we're dealing with ETS too 1395 01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:46,920 because obviously they can mess with our 1396 01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,780 cerebral processes right we know that 1397 01:03:52,190 --> 01:03:50,400 but if when you've been doing it a long 1398 01:03:54,170 --> 01:03:52,200 time and you've been involved with this 1399 01:03:56,300 --> 01:03:54,180 a while had a number of experiences you 1400 01:03:59,870 --> 01:03:56,310 begin to recognize what a screen memory 1401 01:04:02,180 --> 01:03:59,880 is you begin to see the elements in it 1402 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:02,190 are different it's staged differently if 1403 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:04,290 you really pay attention to begin to see 1404 01:04:08,420 --> 01:04:06,410 that is different than a standard 1405 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:08,430 abduction there's different things going 1406 01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:11,970 on there when the there's been several 1407 01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:14,880 of these that showed up that appeared to 1408 01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:19,740 have military involvement and military 1409 01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:22,920 with ETS in cooperation working together 1410 01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:26,310 and the first of all the thing you see 1411 01:04:31,780 --> 01:04:29,160 is that the abduction itself is entirely 1412 01:04:35,690 --> 01:04:31,790 different totally entirely different 1413 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:35,700 people talk it's not it's not a 1414 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:37,770 telepathy think they're actually voices 1415 01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:40,170 it's audible it's audio that you hear 1416 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:41,940 with your ears when people communicate 1417 01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:44,610 with you you're physically removed from 1418 01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:47,220 a house walked out of it you know you 1419 01:04:53,230 --> 01:04:48,990 don't go through walls you don't have 1420 01:04:56,180 --> 01:04:53,240 any of that happen it's it's an entirely 1421 01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:56,190 fist feels very very physical and this 1422 01:05:00,220 --> 01:04:57,570 particular experience you're talking 1423 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:00,230 about with the underground thing that is 1424 01:05:07,930 --> 01:05:03,330 this is an amazing experience that I had 1425 01:05:11,540 --> 01:05:07,940 a phenomenal amount of recollection and 1426 01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:11,550 this happened back in eight I think it 1427 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:13,110 was in October of oh eight when that 1428 01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,370 happened and I was taken out of my home 1429 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:19,920 and I had bits and pieces of being 1430 01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:22,650 removed from my home and I was living in 1431 01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:27,480 Laguna Woods at the time and I went in 1432 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:29,990 and out of consciousness but I recall 1433 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:34,170 injections and I recall I don't recall 1434 01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:35,970 in that particular instance of the 1435 01:05:42,260 --> 01:05:39,680 travel itself but I went in and out and 1436 01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:42,270 it's a different state of consciousness 1437 01:05:49,210 --> 01:05:44,280 when somebody's putting a drug in you 1438 01:05:52,670 --> 01:05:49,220 then when you're being altered by the et 1439 01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:52,680 process anyway my recollection here is 1440 01:05:57,140 --> 01:05:55,050 if I begin to come out of this thing I 1441 01:05:59,540 --> 01:05:57,150 see a big metal door it looks like isn't 1442 01:06:05,140 --> 01:05:59,550 in the side of a mountain the next thing 1443 01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:05,150 I know is I'm in a glass elevator and I 1444 01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:07,710 this person coming down with me it's 1445 01:06:13,790 --> 01:06:09,780 probably about six foot four six foot 1446 01:06:15,290 --> 01:06:13,800 five a man with looks like I don't know 1447 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:15,300 maybe thirty years old 1448 01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:17,730 dressed in a kind of a khaki 1449 01:06:23,420 --> 01:06:20,760 form dark color insignia on the sleeve 1450 01:06:28,070 --> 01:06:23,430 and doesn't say anything to me and I'm 1451 01:06:28,790 --> 01:06:28,080 literally in slippers and uh on a 1452 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:28,800 nightgown 1453 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:31,650 and the elevator kicks in I remember the 1454 01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:33,690 sounds clearly and it's a round glass 1455 01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:37,380 elevator maybe perhaps the the floor 1456 01:06:42,620 --> 01:06:39,780 itself is probably not big maybe four or 1457 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:42,630 five feet across and you go straight 1458 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:45,570 down you go you go it's you go into that 1459 01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,609 door and then there's that elevator and 1460 01:06:51,310 --> 01:06:49,200 it goes straight down and as it goes 1461 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:51,320 down you're actually going into a 1462 01:06:57,140 --> 01:06:54,450 massively massively carved out cave and 1463 01:06:59,180 --> 01:06:57,150 the way that the cave is the centerpiece 1464 01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:59,190 is all open so you could you know if you 1465 01:07:03,290 --> 01:07:00,720 were to step out you'd fall down a long 1466 01:07:06,260 --> 01:07:03,300 way but along the side you see scaffolds 1467 01:07:07,730 --> 01:07:06,270 and you take those scaffolds you can get 1468 01:07:10,580 --> 01:07:07,740 off this elevator and then there's 1469 01:07:12,530 --> 01:07:10,590 scaffolds and you follow them on to 1470 01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,540 platforms that are all along so in other 1471 01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:14,640 words there's you go into these areas 1472 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:17,369 that are built into the side by walking 1473 01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:19,290 along these metal scaffolds otherwise 1474 01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:21,990 you keep going straight on down on the 1475 01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:24,720 elevator itself it was interesting 1476 01:07:27,260 --> 01:07:25,680 one thing that's particularly 1477 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:27,270 interesting and it was the first time 1478 01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:29,850 I'd ever seen this this particular 1479 01:07:33,830 --> 01:07:32,400 character with me this this young man 1480 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:33,840 with me that might have been thirty 1481 01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:36,210 years old at the time never spoke to me 1482 01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:38,760 but throughout this experience as we 1483 01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:41,119 walk through it I saw four or five 1484 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:44,160 identical to him I mean absolutely 1485 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:45,930 identical did you'd be talking about 1486 01:07:50,420 --> 01:07:47,730 identical twins except there were four 1487 01:07:53,030 --> 01:07:50,430 or five of them dressed the same exact 1488 01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,040 same features that suggested to me we 1489 01:07:58,010 --> 01:07:56,160 were talking about a cloned human that 1490 01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:58,020 was a real interesting thing and that 1491 01:08:01,580 --> 01:07:59,280 was the first time I'd ever seen 1492 01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:01,590 anything like that as we kept coming 1493 01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,619 down the though the first layer that I 1494 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:06,960 saw off to the right the first thing I 1495 01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:09,930 saw was a craft it along because this is 1496 01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:12,900 massive this opening was so big and so 1497 01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:14,670 this is it quite a distance I could see 1498 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:17,730 into another area as we were going down 1499 01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:20,250 a big craft that looked almost alien 1500 01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,980 almost human and I mean from the 1501 01:08:26,539 --> 01:08:24,239 distance of where they are at I would 1502 01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,549 say the the figures were about an inch 1503 01:08:30,900 --> 01:08:28,560 and a half tall that's how far away it 1504 01:08:34,170 --> 01:08:30,910 was and I saw 1505 01:08:38,310 --> 01:08:34,180 appeared to be humans and et's working 1506 01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:38,320 together with a scaffold around the all 1507 01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:40,150 the way around that craft that was the 1508 01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:45,090 first floor as we were going down the 1509 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:49,090 okay before we move forward I just got 1510 01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:53,890 this tweet in from Jeremy great question 1511 01:08:59,610 --> 01:08:57,100 he says and I don't want this to get too 1512 01:09:02,670 --> 01:08:59,620 far away from us so let's do this now is 1513 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:02,680 there a common definition for screen 1514 01:09:11,780 --> 01:09:09,850 memory well you know again I can only 1515 01:09:14,690 --> 01:09:11,790 refer to my experience at first of all 1516 01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:14,700 you know I've been in this research 1517 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:18,760 since oh for now you're looking at 16 1518 01:09:22,860 --> 01:09:20,530 years and if you're looking at other 1519 01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:22,870 investigators and researchers 16 years 1520 01:09:27,570 --> 01:09:26,080 isn't a long time so I have only so much 1521 01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,580 that I've gathered that amount of time 1522 01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:28,960 we've got people out there they've been 1523 01:09:34,140 --> 01:09:32,500 doing this for 20 30 40 years so in my 1524 01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:34,150 experience I'm not going to say 1525 01:09:38,730 --> 01:09:35,920 something that I'm not aware of I don't 1526 01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:38,740 know for sure if there is a you know a 1527 01:09:44,340 --> 01:09:41,920 flat suggestion as to what that is my 1528 01:09:47,460 --> 01:09:44,350 understanding of screen memory is that 1529 01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:47,470 you're you know the it comes with ETS 1530 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:52,180 and the ETS are able to somehow affect 1531 01:09:56,210 --> 01:09:54,010 your perception and how you see what's 1532 01:09:59,160 --> 01:09:56,220 going on and what they do is they stage 1533 01:10:02,340 --> 01:09:59,170 they try to stage things in order to 1534 01:10:03,930 --> 01:10:02,350 provoke some kind of emotional reaction 1535 01:10:08,130 --> 01:10:03,940 because they're obsessed with 1536 01:10:12,990 --> 01:10:08,140 comprehending our emotional dimension do 1537 01:10:16,380 --> 01:10:13,000 you think that the the 2007 my lab 1538 01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:16,390 experience only happened because of 1539 01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:21,700 Sedona in 1991 honestly what I think 1540 01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:23,440 happened is that when you stand up and 1541 01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,150 you start talking about this you draw 1542 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:27,520 attention to yourself right you know if 1543 01:10:31,140 --> 01:10:29,770 you're talking about you know he you 1544 01:10:32,190 --> 01:10:31,150 know like somebody says to me you know I 1545 01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:32,200 don't want to you know if I'm your 1546 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:33,820 friend am I gonna get abducted no you're 1547 01:10:40,110 --> 01:10:36,130 not going to get abducted because this 1548 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:40,120 is a genetic line and I do believe that 1549 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:42,130 I believe that it's a genetic line 1550 01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:43,810 because I know my father was involved 1551 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:44,710 right 1552 01:10:49,410 --> 01:10:46,810 and you know looking back it made sense 1553 01:10:50,910 --> 01:10:49,420 when I really began to understand some 1554 01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:50,920 things about him what he did what he 1555 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:52,630 said what happened to him what my 1556 01:10:56,910 --> 01:10:54,489 relatives said happened to him and I 1557 01:10:59,520 --> 01:10:56,920 realized that I'm locked into some kind 1558 01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,530 of genetic experience experiment that 1559 01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:01,840 has been taking place over generations 1560 01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,940 and I'm locked in if you're not in that 1561 01:11:08,340 --> 01:11:06,640 you're not in that but as far as I think 1562 01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:08,350 when you stand up and you begin to talk 1563 01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:11,440 about this in public I had only one 1564 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:13,390 experience that I can really recall 1565 01:11:18,420 --> 01:11:15,010 prior to this happening it was very 1566 01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:18,430 minimal very small but big stuff started 1567 01:11:22,350 --> 01:11:20,620 happening as soon as I remember I did a 1568 01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:22,360 few television shows and I started 1569 01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:24,489 talking on radio well you know and the 1570 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:26,110 book got out there well then it started 1571 01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:26,530 happening 1572 01:11:32,010 --> 01:11:29,710 why didn't happen before because I drew 1573 01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:32,020 attention to myself and it does make 1574 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:34,300 sense that the government's the powers 1575 01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:37,930 that be would absolutely want to know 1576 01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:40,210 what we know they're gonna want to get 1577 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:42,070 as much information as they can do I 1578 01:11:45,410 --> 01:11:43,450 think they're in collusion with some of 1579 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:45,420 them absolutely I do I do believe that 1580 01:11:50,190 --> 01:11:48,489 or I wouldn't have seen what I saw but I 1581 01:11:52,979 --> 01:11:50,200 also think they want as much information 1582 01:11:54,959 --> 01:11:52,989 as they can so on one hand you're upon 1583 01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:54,969 with the ETS and then on the other hand 1584 01:11:58,770 --> 01:11:56,710 Tripp on with the government the 1585 01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,780 military because they still I mean let's 1586 01:12:01,860 --> 01:12:00,400 face it it's called espionage right they 1587 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:01,870 want to get as much information as they 1588 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:04,210 can they'll make nice-nice to your face 1589 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:06,130 at the same time find another way to 1590 01:12:11,070 --> 01:12:07,810 work with you by getting you know going 1591 01:12:14,690 --> 01:12:11,080 around the backdoor now we just talked 1592 01:12:17,970 --> 01:12:14,700 about a definition for screen memory and 1593 01:12:20,190 --> 01:12:17,980 my lab which I've always called my lab I 1594 01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:20,200 don't know why I don't hear mill lab 1595 01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:22,930 because it's it's technically military 1596 01:12:29,459 --> 01:12:26,620 abductions right is is we is that the 1597 01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,469 correct definition I believe so so I 1598 01:12:36,150 --> 01:12:31,360 don't know why I call up my lab but 1599 01:12:38,010 --> 01:12:36,160 let's stay with my lab you know you know 1600 01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:38,020 Melinda Leslie talks about it and a 1601 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:39,520 number of people talk about it that way 1602 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:42,130 so I guess I picked it up too okay 1603 01:12:47,310 --> 01:12:45,130 okay so now staying with this because 1604 01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:47,320 that's a very interesting point that you 1605 01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:49,960 made that you're not going through walls 1606 01:12:55,620 --> 01:12:52,560 right it's technically it's a military 1607 01:13:01,620 --> 01:12:59,550 really no not and I don't have a 1608 01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:01,630 recollection on this one but on another 1609 01:13:05,460 --> 01:13:03,550 very profound experience there would 1610 01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,470 helicopters black helicopters that came 1611 01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:07,840 right over the you know came right over 1612 01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:09,820 the parking structure where I lived in a 1613 01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:12,850 condo and you know they wrapped me right 1614 01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:15,000 up in a blanket and hustled me on board 1615 01:13:20,370 --> 01:13:19,030 and appeared in my bedroom and and came 1616 01:13:22,710 --> 01:13:20,380 right into the house and out the front 1617 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:22,720 door so that's my recollection of it and 1618 01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:24,130 it's a conscious recollection that 1619 01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:26,590 didn't come with hypnosis either I think 1620 01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:29,590 we did do a session after on that one 1621 01:13:35,130 --> 01:13:31,560 though it's we got some more detail but 1622 01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:35,140 no it's entirely different I mean you 1623 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:38,320 know your senses are different I wanted 1624 01:13:41,730 --> 01:13:39,850 to ask you this when you said that you 1625 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:41,740 were in your slippers in your robe and 1626 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:44,530 it's a great visual by the way you're in 1627 01:13:50,940 --> 01:13:48,610 your slippers in your robe did that do 1628 01:13:54,090 --> 01:13:50,950 you remember were you already in your 1629 01:13:58,740 --> 01:13:54,100 slippers right or did you put your 1630 01:14:00,660 --> 01:13:58,750 slippers on and say hey before I was in 1631 01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:00,670 a nightgown I do not remember putting 1632 01:14:05,340 --> 01:14:03,310 the slippers on but I and there was no 1633 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:05,350 robe it was just a nightgown a 1634 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:07,090 long-sleeve nightgown cotton nightgown 1635 01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:09,010 that went down like almost to my ankles 1636 01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:11,260 and I must have put the slippers on or 1637 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:13,270 they put him on I don't know but that's 1638 01:14:19,050 --> 01:14:14,770 how what I was wearing during the 1639 01:14:23,610 --> 01:14:19,060 experience okay so now you know that 1640 01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:23,620 this is possible military because of the 1641 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:27,940 gentleman officer is escorting you he's 1642 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:30,010 got some type of fatigues on he's got an 1643 01:14:35,970 --> 01:14:32,970 insignia so he seems official of some 1644 01:14:39,420 --> 01:14:35,980 capacity and you've seen the others too 1645 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:39,430 as well and you're on the scaffolding 1646 01:14:44,220 --> 01:14:41,770 what happened in your slippers and 1647 01:14:47,340 --> 01:14:44,230 you're not count what what happens next 1648 01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:47,350 meeting well we we went down we 1649 01:14:52,290 --> 01:14:49,510 continued to go down and the way this 1650 01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,300 was is that you could see the 1651 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:54,400 scaffolding all the way around the big 1652 01:14:58,230 --> 01:14:56,290 giant cavern right and then it was 1653 01:15:00,240 --> 01:14:58,240 broken off into layers so you could stop 1654 01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:00,250 that elevator and get off in a layer but 1655 01:15:04,140 --> 01:15:02,410 you could so we stopped down two or 1656 01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,150 three layers down and then there's a 1657 01:15:07,650 --> 01:15:05,920 walkway and the walkway almost looked 1658 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:07,660 like it was made out of steel and it was 1659 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:08,650 a big row 1660 01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:11,050 circular Hall that had been embedded 1661 01:15:17,130 --> 01:15:14,560 into the into the earth into the side 1662 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:17,140 and it had a metal grid you walked on 1663 01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:20,050 and at the end each end was covered with 1664 01:15:26,250 --> 01:15:23,440 a blue door that had two windows in it 1665 01:15:27,899 --> 01:15:26,260 and they were like swinging doors and so 1666 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:27,909 we ended up going down several layers 1667 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:30,010 and walking through several of those 1668 01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:32,170 tunnels and several of those doors like 1669 01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:34,870 that eventually we ended up at the very 1670 01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:37,360 bottom of the cavern and I found a very 1671 01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:40,170 big surprise down there what happened 1672 01:15:48,689 --> 01:15:43,480 well by the time you got down to the 1673 01:15:51,330 --> 01:15:48,699 bottom strange as it sounds it was so 1674 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:51,340 huge again that down at the very bottom 1675 01:15:55,530 --> 01:15:53,770 it was very damp and we walked on still 1676 01:15:57,630 --> 01:15:55,540 we got in ended if the elevator got off 1677 01:16:00,000 --> 01:15:57,640 onto some scaffolding walked down some 1678 01:16:02,910 --> 01:16:00,010 steps this guy was with me silent and in 1679 01:16:04,979 --> 01:16:02,920 front of me is a very strange sight in 1680 01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,989 this giant cavern it's very dark and 1681 01:16:08,910 --> 01:16:06,880 murky there's there are lights that are 1682 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:08,920 mounted far off on the side like 1683 01:16:14,490 --> 01:16:11,890 spotlights it's very damp the air is so 1684 01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:14,500 heavy to breathe on the ground it's very 1685 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:17,590 puddled and wet and you can see little 1686 01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:21,130 bits of like weeds growing almost and 1687 01:16:25,169 --> 01:16:22,630 you can see some kind of a light from 1688 01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:25,179 overhead so I don't know if natural 1689 01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:26,560 light was coming in from somewhere else 1690 01:16:32,189 --> 01:16:29,920 but anyway there's a building and the 1691 01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:32,199 building literally looks like a human 1692 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:36,310 building made out of almost concrete 1693 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:39,130 block okay two or three stories high 1694 01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:42,730 quite large and they take me into that 1695 01:16:46,919 --> 01:16:45,670 building and that first the entrance of 1696 01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:46,929 the building when you go up the stairs 1697 01:16:53,130 --> 01:16:50,070 and into that building there is like a 1698 01:16:55,410 --> 01:16:53,140 there's a four year there almost like 1699 01:16:57,209 --> 01:16:55,420 you would see in a hotel a foyer and 1700 01:16:59,370 --> 01:16:57,219 there's a stairway going up with a 1701 01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,380 wooden rail going up to one side and to 1702 01:17:02,970 --> 01:17:01,360 the left there's a small hallway of 1703 01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:02,980 different doors and I'm led into one of 1704 01:17:08,399 --> 01:17:04,960 these rooms and it looks like a doctor's 1705 01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:08,409 office and I'm set down and I'm groggy 1706 01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:10,480 because they've given me something but 1707 01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,070 it's a different kind of groggy which 1708 01:17:17,070 --> 01:17:15,040 was interesting and so I'm I seem to 1709 01:17:19,890 --> 01:17:17,080 have more control than I do with the et 1710 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:19,900 thing sat down they had me sit down on 1711 01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:21,010 the edge of what looked like just a 1712 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:21,489 normal 1713 01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:24,010 doctors examining table and again and he 1714 01:17:28,290 --> 01:17:25,840 leaves never said a word to me and I'm 1715 01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:28,300 in this room and out in out of the back 1716 01:17:34,169 --> 01:17:31,150 room comes what looks like a doctor no I 1717 01:17:36,689 --> 01:17:34,179 have to say I had difficulty focusing on 1718 01:17:38,250 --> 01:17:36,699 this one he went in and out of my focus 1719 01:17:41,759 --> 01:17:38,260 so I thought this is interesting 1720 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:41,769 hmm is this you know have I got an ET 1721 01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,530 here have I what's going on here anyway 1722 01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:46,719 he came out never said anything to me 1723 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:49,510 wear a white lab coat went back in the 1724 01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:51,610 room again and I flew out the door now 1725 01:17:57,419 --> 01:17:54,249 normally in a in a Nietzsche environment 1726 01:17:59,689 --> 01:17:57,429 you can't do that you can't move like 1727 01:18:02,549 --> 01:17:59,699 that you can't you're paralyzed okay 1728 01:18:04,020 --> 01:18:02,559 it's just very very different and I flew 1729 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:04,030 out of that room back down the hallway 1730 01:18:08,759 --> 01:18:06,570 out the front door and found myself 1731 01:18:11,310 --> 01:18:08,769 along the side of the wall of that 1732 01:18:13,410 --> 01:18:11,320 building and I each actually could even 1733 01:18:16,169 --> 01:18:13,420 look in that room to see where I had 1734 01:18:17,609 --> 01:18:16,179 just come out of it was on the left side 1735 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:17,619 of the building I didn't see anything in 1736 01:18:23,220 --> 01:18:21,010 there made my way to the back hugging 1737 01:18:25,979 --> 01:18:23,230 the wall and this happened very quick 1738 01:18:27,899 --> 01:18:25,989 and at the back of the at the back of 1739 01:18:29,790 --> 01:18:27,909 the room and this is wild stuff believe 1740 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:29,800 me this was a whole new kind of thing 1741 01:18:35,149 --> 01:18:31,570 for me what do I see back there what 1742 01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:35,159 looks almost like a reception like a 1743 01:18:41,939 --> 01:18:39,249 like a big what the whole wall was open 1744 01:18:43,799 --> 01:18:41,949 and inside was like a big reception and 1745 01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:43,809 then coming out from the center of it 1746 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:46,210 almost was like a big concrete walkway 1747 01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:48,010 where people could walk around except 1748 01:18:57,149 --> 01:18:53,199 that it wasn't just people and yeah you 1749 01:19:00,750 --> 01:18:57,159 uh you presented some drawings of this 1750 01:19:03,660 --> 01:19:00,760 which were excellent by the way did you 1751 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:03,670 do those yes okay all right so you 1752 01:19:10,169 --> 01:19:06,010 presented some drawings about who you 1753 01:19:13,169 --> 01:19:10,179 were hanging out with don't mean to be 1754 01:19:17,790 --> 01:19:13,179 so loose about hanging out with in this 1755 01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:17,800 room let's go can we go from like right 1756 01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:28,290 yeah you see look I'm dealing with my 1757 01:19:33,569 --> 01:19:32,050 memory here maybe but I remember you had 1758 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:33,579 drawn a three year 1759 01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:37,689 for beings in the room and then there 1760 01:19:43,379 --> 01:19:39,760 was a second row standing behind them 1761 01:19:46,139 --> 01:19:43,389 observing what was going on and there 1762 01:19:50,339 --> 01:19:46,149 was again I could be so wrong on this 1763 01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:50,349 but there was a very interesting being 1764 01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:53,530 all the way over on the far left okay 1765 01:19:56,699 --> 01:19:55,329 you think you're thinking about the 1766 01:19:59,549 --> 01:19:56,709 experience with the tall white in the 1767 01:20:00,659 --> 01:19:59,559 background yeah and you ought to be 1768 01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:00,669 talking about the tall white in the 1769 01:20:05,579 --> 01:20:02,409 background and there might have been 1770 01:20:07,739 --> 01:20:05,589 something of an insect nature too 1771 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:07,749 but I don't want yeah but you're what 1772 01:20:11,219 --> 01:20:09,489 you I know you said the read the book 1773 01:20:13,829 --> 01:20:11,229 and I appreciate it but it's kind of 1774 01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:13,839 that's mixing up a couple of things so 1775 01:20:21,389 --> 01:20:16,780 in this particular experience what I saw 1776 01:20:24,569 --> 01:20:21,399 in this experience was I saw military in 1777 01:20:26,219 --> 01:20:24,579 the the clone type of mail in military 1778 01:20:27,629 --> 01:20:26,229 fatigues with insignia and by the way I 1779 01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:27,639 know what those insignia are and I 1780 01:20:33,689 --> 01:20:30,129 didn't share them two different kinds 1781 01:20:38,729 --> 01:20:33,699 second thing I saw was humans in million 1782 01:20:41,639 --> 01:20:38,739 in officer uniform that's the key that 1783 01:20:43,859 --> 01:20:41,649 was the key for me conforms and they 1784 01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,869 appeared in a number of these during 1785 01:20:48,929 --> 01:20:45,760 throughout this experience they were in 1786 01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:48,939 the back mingling with ETS and when I 1787 01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:51,070 was picked up later on because they were 1788 01:20:57,419 --> 01:20:53,679 after me instantly I tried to hide in 1789 01:20:59,639 --> 01:20:57,429 this little area where there was a it 1790 01:21:02,819 --> 01:20:59,649 was fenced off like this stretchy kind 1791 01:21:04,979 --> 01:21:02,829 of orange construction fence they put 1792 01:21:06,599 --> 01:21:04,989 for a real damp area and I ran in there 1793 01:21:08,429 --> 01:21:06,609 but they caught me instantly they 1794 01:21:10,879 --> 01:21:08,439 brought me back in and what was 1795 01:21:13,409 --> 01:21:10,889 interesting is that it was as though I 1796 01:21:15,449 --> 01:21:13,419 when I was they put me into a chair in 1797 01:21:16,889 --> 01:21:15,459 this room in a it was in the same 1798 01:21:18,899 --> 01:21:16,899 building they brought me back into the 1799 01:21:20,759 --> 01:21:18,909 building and in that building there were 1800 01:21:23,399 --> 01:21:20,769 a number of characters behind me 1801 01:21:25,379 --> 01:21:23,409 standing I was not able to move once I 1802 01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:25,389 was sitting in that chair and there were 1803 01:21:30,750 --> 01:21:28,030 several uniformed officers that were in 1804 01:21:33,209 --> 01:21:30,760 that room with me and there were several 1805 01:21:36,869 --> 01:21:33,219 more of those cloned looking males in 1806 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:36,879 that room with me and I could hear them 1807 01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:40,030 audibly hear them talking about me 1808 01:21:45,209 --> 01:21:43,449 somebody was very angry now let me back 1809 01:21:46,650 --> 01:21:45,219 up for one second and tell you something 1810 01:21:49,140 --> 01:21:46,660 really strange and I don't know 1811 01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:49,150 this relates but prior to this happening 1812 01:21:53,790 --> 01:21:51,520 a few days before I was very very angry 1813 01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:53,800 you know I go through periods where like 1814 01:21:57,090 --> 01:21:54,880 I just you know I don't want to be 1815 01:22:00,240 --> 01:21:57,100 bothered with this okay this isn't fun 1816 01:22:01,950 --> 01:22:00,250 and I had this little thing I did I went 1817 01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:01,960 out south my apartment and I had a 1818 01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:08,110 little rant and it was you know put 1819 01:22:11,850 --> 01:22:09,880 yourself out in the open show me show me 1820 01:22:13,860 --> 01:22:11,860 don't knock me out anymore don't do this 1821 01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:13,870 to me anymore let me stay awake let me 1822 01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:15,940 stay conscious and strangely enough it 1823 01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:17,620 was a day or two afterwards this event 1824 01:22:21,450 --> 01:22:19,210 happened anyway 1825 01:22:23,340 --> 01:22:21,460 in that room I heard them talking about 1826 01:22:25,290 --> 01:22:23,350 me and they were take her back take her 1827 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:25,300 back and the thing I was filled with was 1828 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:26,650 interesting it was as though I had 1829 01:22:31,140 --> 01:22:29,290 agreed somehow some way that I was going 1830 01:22:33,450 --> 01:22:31,150 to participate no mind you I have a 1831 01:22:36,150 --> 01:22:33,460 tremendous amount of curiosity I am an 1832 01:22:37,770 --> 01:22:36,160 extremely curious person and I love to 1833 01:22:40,290 --> 01:22:37,780 learn learn learn about things new 1834 01:22:40,740 --> 01:22:40,300 things so I want to know what's going on 1835 01:22:43,050 --> 01:22:40,750 here 1836 01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:43,060 okay just for the sake of knowing what's 1837 01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:45,130 going on very odd there's these chairs 1838 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:46,750 that are straight across from me they 1839 01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:49,650 look like big white armed leather chairs 1840 01:22:54,540 --> 01:22:52,030 two of the guys that look like clones 1841 01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:54,550 sit down in those chairs now this was a 1842 01:23:00,930 --> 01:22:57,970 very unusual exit when they sat down 1843 01:23:03,650 --> 01:23:00,940 there they put headphones on 1844 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:03,660 big large headphones on their heads I 1845 01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:05,770 couldn't see anything behind me because 1846 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:07,450 I couldn't move for some reason at all 1847 01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:09,610 in that chair but what I had noted is 1848 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:11,650 that on both sides of that room there 1849 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:14,530 were very large huge speakers they 1850 01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:16,810 looked like speakers almost but I'm 1851 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:19,510 talking about you know five by five by 1852 01:23:24,540 --> 01:23:21,610 seven foot standing against the wall big 1853 01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:24,550 and they sent me in this chair they're 1854 01:23:26,730 --> 01:23:26,230 talking about get rid of her get her out 1855 01:23:29,490 --> 01:23:26,740 of here 1856 01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:29,500 and these guys sit in the chair they put 1857 01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:31,750 the headphones on I begin to hear some 1858 01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:35,020 kind of sound I'm out that's it 1859 01:23:40,590 --> 01:23:38,170 gone I don't know anything else from 1860 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:40,600 that point and I actually wake up it's 1861 01:23:46,980 --> 01:23:41,770 the middle of the night and I'm in my 1862 01:23:48,810 --> 01:23:46,990 bed how much at that point and we're 1863 01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:48,820 gonna head to a break in sixty Seconds 1864 01:23:54,270 --> 01:23:51,760 at that point how much did you recall 1865 01:23:57,939 --> 01:23:54,280 how much of it was conscious and and how 1866 01:24:00,910 --> 01:23:57,949 much did you have to rely on 1867 01:24:04,359 --> 01:24:00,920 you know recalling this later no this is 1868 01:24:07,060 --> 01:24:04,369 all conscious it's all conscious oh yeah 1869 01:24:09,219 --> 01:24:07,070 yeah we did a regression afterwards but 1870 01:24:10,899 --> 01:24:09,229 it was more some little you know minut 1871 01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:10,909 detail here and there there was no great 1872 01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,090 discovery this was quite an amazing 1873 01:24:17,799 --> 01:24:15,679 recollection for me a tremendous amount 1874 01:24:21,459 --> 01:24:17,809 of detail did you write it yeah did you 1875 01:24:23,379 --> 01:24:21,469 immediately like write everything over 1876 01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,389 that's where I got my sense of power I 1877 01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:25,760 would actually use a recorder I would 1878 01:24:29,049 --> 01:24:27,650 come back after these things and I 1879 01:24:30,939 --> 01:24:29,059 didn't want to miss a thing so I would 1880 01:24:32,739 --> 01:24:30,949 put it into a recorder and record it I 1881 01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,749 might be shaking when it's happening 1882 01:24:36,549 --> 01:24:34,639 violently but I'd record it and I would 1883 01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,559 immediately draw any pictures that I 1884 01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:38,239 could remember if it wasn't for my 1885 01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:39,440 journals I couldn't have written news 1886 01:24:44,890 --> 01:24:41,690 books let's take a break right here 1887 01:24:47,290 --> 01:24:44,900 absolutely fascinating 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Brooks why fade 1973 01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:36,190 to black 1974 01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:46,400 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 1975 01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:50,090 radio network and kgr a the global radio 1976 01:29:04,700 --> 01:28:52,490 alliance 1977 01:29:08,220 --> 01:29:06,690 welcome back fade to black I'm here 1978 01:29:11,010 --> 01:29:08,230 Jimmy Church I guess tonight Nadine 1979 01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:11,020 later tomorrow night Dell big tree is 1980 01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:12,489 going to be here producer of the film 1981 01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:15,600 backs we've all heard the reports about 1982 01:29:22,050 --> 01:29:18,880 vaccinations and coronavirus that means 1983 01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:22,060 del big tree tomorrow night and tonight 1984 01:29:24,990 --> 01:29:24,100 our guest is Nadine Laila and we're 1985 01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:25,000 talking about 1986 01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:27,130 well her new book which is called alien 1987 01:29:32,370 --> 01:29:29,170 experiences book 2 evolution coming to 1988 01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:32,380 terms with the et presence and right now 1989 01:29:39,330 --> 01:29:36,070 we're talking about my lab and what that 1990 01:29:43,190 --> 01:29:39,340 program actually can mean and Nadine 1991 01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:43,200 we've all heard the reports about 1992 01:29:52,490 --> 01:29:46,510 somebody that has had a pretty fantastic 1993 01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:52,500 sighting UFO and they report it and then 1994 01:30:01,950 --> 01:29:56,560 they get abducted right my lab comes in 1995 01:30:03,630 --> 01:30:01,960 and possibly does one of two things one 1996 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:03,640 they're gonna extract information they 1997 01:30:07,620 --> 01:30:05,650 want to know what they've seen there's 1998 01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:07,630 that part of it and what kind of contact 1999 01:30:14,580 --> 01:30:09,280 they made and then the other part of it 2000 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:14,590 is to possibly get memories and things 2001 01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:18,330 planted into them and to stage something 2002 01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:22,900 to maybe scare them into silence or what 2003 01:30:29,420 --> 01:30:26,410 for whatever the reasons but these MyLab 2004 01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:29,430 abductions come on the heels of an 2005 01:30:40,410 --> 01:30:34,239 actual UFO sighting that to me is pretty 2006 01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:40,420 terrifying yeah yeah well some of these 2007 01:30:44,460 --> 01:30:41,920 events that have happened with me 2008 01:30:49,020 --> 01:30:44,470 started with UFO sighting too during 2009 01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:49,030 years and again I have to go back to my 2010 01:30:58,380 --> 01:30:53,320 own experience and that's that when I've 2011 01:31:00,420 --> 01:30:58,390 had a UFO sighting there has been an et 2012 01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:00,430 contact okay 2013 01:31:04,740 --> 01:31:02,770 I haven't had a UFO sighting that did 2014 01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:04,750 not follow with one mm-hmm 2015 01:31:10,860 --> 01:31:07,840 so I have not had a situation where I 2016 01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:10,870 saw a UFO something unusual in the sky 2017 01:31:17,180 --> 01:31:13,390 later to have on my lap so that hasn't 2018 01:31:19,729 --> 01:31:17,190 been my particular experience they made 2019 01:31:23,420 --> 01:31:19,739 they may be doing that I think there is 2020 01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:23,430 a certain amount of you know them 2021 01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:25,110 wanting us to you know dissuade us from 2022 01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:27,810 talking about this from bringing us out 2023 01:31:31,580 --> 01:31:29,910 in the open and especially if the fact 2024 01:31:33,500 --> 01:31:31,590 if governments are in collusion with 2025 01:31:35,390 --> 01:31:33,510 certain species that are coming to the 2026 01:31:38,270 --> 01:31:35,400 planet you know we're always talking 2027 01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:38,280 about power aren't we you know and we're 2028 01:31:43,939 --> 01:31:41,730 always talking about military power 2029 01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:43,949 so yeah they want all that hush-hush you 2030 01:31:48,050 --> 01:31:45,690 know that yes they can tap our brains 2031 01:31:50,060 --> 01:31:48,060 and find out what's going on whether or 2032 01:31:52,340 --> 01:31:50,070 not I have if you were to address 2033 01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:52,350 whether or not I have think I have been 2034 01:32:02,330 --> 01:31:56,610 personally hijacked by a military in 2035 01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:02,340 order to shut me down or present a false 2036 01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:03,810 information I don't think that's 2037 01:32:07,959 --> 01:32:06,210 happened to me personally not to say 2038 01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:07,969 that it doesn't happen to others and 2039 01:32:13,130 --> 01:32:10,770 which which side of the coin now we're 2040 01:32:18,290 --> 01:32:13,140 looking at are we looking at the 2041 01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:18,300 military working with et cooperating 2042 01:32:23,689 --> 01:32:21,000 with each other are we looking at 2043 01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:23,699 something that is not in the military's 2044 01:32:30,140 --> 01:32:26,730 control that this is an et thing and the 2045 01:32:33,220 --> 01:32:30,150 military is is there because they were 2046 01:32:37,540 --> 01:32:33,230 allowed to be there or is this a 2047 01:32:41,330 --> 01:32:37,550 government program that is in place that 2048 01:32:42,979 --> 01:32:41,340 et is involved with right we have two or 2049 01:32:46,060 --> 01:32:42,989 three or four different scenarios to 2050 01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:46,070 look at right right well you know I mean 2051 01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:48,810 it's only an opinion and it's my opinion 2052 01:32:56,330 --> 01:32:52,170 that you know I think what we're seeing 2053 01:32:58,400 --> 01:32:56,340 are you know in our skies are not ours 2054 01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:58,410 and we're seeing some that may be ours 2055 01:33:02,060 --> 01:33:00,239 it may be a combination you know again 2056 01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:02,070 it's back to black and white so if 2057 01:33:05,420 --> 01:33:03,570 there's some kind of collusion 2058 01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:05,430 cooperation going in between certain 2059 01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:09,120 species and and the human species well 2060 01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:10,110 you know they're going to be sharing 2061 01:33:15,140 --> 01:33:12,810 information but you know it goes back 2062 01:33:18,620 --> 01:33:15,150 again to that there's different motives 2063 01:33:20,300 --> 01:33:18,630 of different species they may be you 2064 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:20,310 know some of the human powers that be 2065 01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:22,290 maybe tying up with some of the more 2066 01:33:27,950 --> 01:33:24,900 friendly species learnings and some of 2067 01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:27,960 their technology in exchange for maybe a 2068 01:33:30,679 --> 01:33:29,520 you know keeping a blind eye to 2069 01:33:33,409 --> 01:33:30,689 abductions 2070 01:33:35,540 --> 01:33:33,419 working that way in order to get 2071 01:33:37,729 --> 01:33:35,550 technology and there may be another 2072 01:33:40,009 --> 01:33:37,739 species out there that we're 2073 01:33:44,959 --> 01:33:40,019 anticipating having conflicts with and 2074 01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:44,969 we're preparing in your experience when 2075 01:33:55,009 --> 01:33:50,249 you are observing the military there did 2076 01:33:58,069 --> 01:33:55,019 the military seem in control or were 2077 01:34:01,159 --> 01:33:58,079 they more how should I say this I don't 2078 01:34:04,969 --> 01:34:01,169 want to say submissive you know what I 2079 01:34:09,770 --> 01:34:04,979 mean taking orders from et but how did 2080 01:34:12,319 --> 01:34:09,780 it appear to you well there's been in 2081 01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:12,329 that particular instance I would say it 2082 01:34:17,810 --> 01:34:15,840 actually there were two things going on 2083 01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:17,820 in the front of that building and in the 2084 01:34:20,689 --> 01:34:19,199 back of the building in the back of the 2085 01:34:22,609 --> 01:34:20,699 building it was like some kind of a 2086 01:34:24,409 --> 01:34:22,619 social event and let's face it even with 2087 01:34:27,919 --> 01:34:24,419 humans what do we do we make nice-nice 2088 01:34:30,199 --> 01:34:27,929 right yeah not too short we play nice so 2089 01:34:33,979 --> 01:34:30,209 that we can you know have all our needs 2090 01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:33,989 met right and and negotiate more easily 2091 01:34:38,419 --> 01:34:36,510 that was happening in the back and I 2092 01:34:40,219 --> 01:34:38,429 didn't see any threat or anything there 2093 01:34:48,859 --> 01:34:40,229 when it was in the building and the 2094 01:34:54,350 --> 01:34:48,869 front it was it appeared that those that 2095 01:34:56,179 --> 01:34:54,360 were dressed in uniforms officer 2096 01:34:57,589 --> 01:34:56,189 uniforms seemed to be very much in 2097 01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,599 control and what else was very 2098 01:35:01,429 --> 01:34:59,280 interesting and there was one gentleman 2099 01:35:04,580 --> 01:35:01,439 that I saw in that particular experience 2100 01:35:07,509 --> 01:35:04,590 that I later saw in another one oh the 2101 01:35:10,909 --> 01:35:07,519 same gray haired gentleman in the same 2102 01:35:12,350 --> 01:35:10,919 military outfit and in the second 2103 01:35:15,429 --> 01:35:12,360 experience where he was there he 2104 01:35:18,500 --> 01:35:15,439 actually said to me you did a good job 2105 01:35:20,569 --> 01:35:18,510 they had us working at monitors trying 2106 01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:20,579 to push buttons showing what we had seen 2107 01:35:24,649 --> 01:35:22,530 what we had not seen it was almost like 2108 01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:24,659 a computer monitor slanted back and 2109 01:35:28,279 --> 01:35:26,130 these pictures would come up and you 2110 01:35:30,770 --> 01:35:28,289 would have to push it and a whole room 2111 01:35:32,359 --> 01:35:30,780 full of of uniformed officers on the 2112 01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:32,369 other side of the glass or watching us 2113 01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:34,110 and we would have to push these buttons 2114 01:35:39,259 --> 01:35:36,719 and then when we pushed him then another 2115 01:35:40,819 --> 01:35:39,269 one would come up and in essence it was 2116 01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:40,829 what have you seen that's what it was 2117 01:35:43,899 --> 01:35:42,449 about and if you'd seen it you push the 2118 01:35:45,459 --> 01:35:43,909 button 2119 01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:45,469 I was in a room with another man at the 2120 01:35:50,350 --> 01:35:49,010 time who was very very rebellious and 2121 01:35:53,409 --> 01:35:50,360 telling me don't tell them anything 2122 01:35:56,830 --> 01:35:53,419 don't tell them anything but what was 2123 01:35:58,959 --> 01:35:56,840 really curious there is that same man 2124 01:36:01,330 --> 01:35:58,969 showed up in those two situations they 2125 01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:01,340 were very different but he showed up I 2126 01:36:04,419 --> 01:36:03,050 wanted to ask you about the building 2127 01:36:06,609 --> 01:36:04,429 real quick I want to come back to these 2128 01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:06,619 screens and and what you're seeing there 2129 01:36:12,850 --> 01:36:11,090 but the building itself and you said it 2130 01:36:16,209 --> 01:36:12,860 looked just like something we would you 2131 01:36:17,890 --> 01:36:16,219 know you recognize it as hangman do you 2132 01:36:21,489 --> 01:36:17,900 think that we built it or do you think 2133 01:36:24,429 --> 01:36:21,499 that he built it for us no it was it was 2134 01:36:26,350 --> 01:36:24,439 definitely human built no I was 2135 01:36:28,750 --> 01:36:26,360 something human built and this was 2136 01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:28,760 almost like in a way like a fancy hotel 2137 01:36:33,790 --> 01:36:31,760 sort of so there was there some kind of 2138 01:36:35,739 --> 01:36:33,800 collusion going on there coming and 2139 01:36:37,659 --> 01:36:35,749 going in this underground facility 2140 01:36:39,609 --> 01:36:37,669 things are happening chips are being 2141 01:36:43,029 --> 01:36:39,619 built some kind of experimentation is 2142 01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:43,039 taking place it's it's it's humans and 2143 01:36:48,009 --> 01:36:45,650 it's it's a variety of ETS taking place 2144 01:36:49,299 --> 01:36:48,019 here that may be where people come and 2145 01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:49,309 stay when they come into this facility 2146 01:36:53,739 --> 01:36:52,010 and they stay there and certainly your 2147 01:36:55,239 --> 01:36:53,749 you know create and it was such a huge 2148 01:36:57,069 --> 01:36:55,249 cavern this thing you're talking about 2149 01:36:59,049 --> 01:36:57,079 massive that the idea of building this 2150 01:37:00,729 --> 01:36:59,059 building and this bottom floor of this 2151 01:37:03,449 --> 01:37:00,739 huge cavern is really not a big deal 2152 01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:03,459 there's plenty of room for it okay and 2153 01:37:09,459 --> 01:37:07,280 so if you are gonna have people of power 2154 01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:09,469 come visiting and see what's going on in 2155 01:37:14,830 --> 01:37:12,320 this particular facility they're gonna 2156 01:37:16,179 --> 01:37:14,840 want to stay someplace and it would make 2157 01:37:18,729 --> 01:37:16,189 sense that there could be something set 2158 01:37:20,379 --> 01:37:18,739 up there for them to come some kind of 2159 01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:20,389 lodging or something and that's what it 2160 01:37:26,589 --> 01:37:22,010 really looked like do you have any idea 2161 01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:26,599 where this was in the United States well 2162 01:37:34,419 --> 01:37:32,449 I you know I can I don't have any way of 2163 01:37:37,529 --> 01:37:34,429 proving it okay I have no way of proving 2164 01:37:41,529 --> 01:37:37,539 it I know it was in the southwest 2165 01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:41,539 definitely and it is either you know I 2166 01:37:45,250 --> 01:37:43,760 mean I lean towards where I'm living now 2167 01:37:46,929 --> 01:37:45,260 which is New Mexico and I thought it's 2168 01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:46,939 very interesting that I was so compelled 2169 01:37:52,689 --> 01:37:50,030 to come back here I've lived here in the 2170 01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:52,699 90s when all this stuff started you know 2171 01:37:56,890 --> 01:37:55,010 after my first experience I was just 2172 01:37:59,290 --> 01:37:56,900 obsessed with moving out here from Cal 2173 01:38:01,600 --> 01:37:59,300 for Nia and I did it I was here in nine 2174 01:38:03,850 --> 01:38:01,610 weeks after that experience I don't know 2175 01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,860 why but I was compelled and then of 2176 01:38:08,919 --> 01:38:05,920 course my experience is so intensified 2177 01:38:11,919 --> 01:38:08,929 but I could tell you that it looked very 2178 01:38:16,930 --> 01:38:11,929 much like New Mexico so you see it right 2179 01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:16,940 right well because the time to get there 2180 01:38:22,660 --> 01:38:20,210 right I mean you're abducted in your 2181 01:38:26,010 --> 01:38:22,670 home and the time to get there and get 2182 01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:26,020 back it's got to be like in the area 2183 01:38:33,250 --> 01:38:30,290 right right I you know I but you know 2184 01:38:34,990 --> 01:38:33,260 these this thing happened to me 2185 01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:35,000 this one we're talking about here let's 2186 01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:38,810 see in the oh eight one I was in living 2187 01:38:43,660 --> 01:38:40,449 in Laguna Woods California at the time 2188 01:38:45,220 --> 01:38:43,670 but I can tell you like I said I I don't 2189 01:38:47,140 --> 01:38:45,230 know why I keep thinking something 2190 01:38:50,740 --> 01:38:47,150 happened here in New Mexico but I know 2191 01:38:53,709 --> 01:38:50,750 it was the southwest now the timeframe 2192 01:38:55,149 --> 01:38:53,719 involved you know from when this thing 2193 01:38:57,399 --> 01:38:55,159 happened which would have been in a very 2194 01:38:59,860 --> 01:38:57,409 beginning of the evening how many hours 2195 01:39:02,520 --> 01:38:59,870 would it take would a normal craft be 2196 01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:02,530 able to travel that fast I don't know 2197 01:39:10,570 --> 01:39:05,449 but it was desert where is absolutely 2198 01:39:13,060 --> 01:39:10,580 desert what okay I'm the screens I've 2199 01:39:15,729 --> 01:39:13,070 got eighty thousand questions in my 2200 01:39:19,540 --> 01:39:15,739 brain but by going back to the screens 2201 01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:19,550 do you remember what you were seeing was 2202 01:39:24,939 --> 01:39:22,730 it was it about aliens or was about past 2203 01:39:26,590 --> 01:39:24,949 human history what was you know what 2204 01:39:28,990 --> 01:39:26,600 were you right no no are you talking 2205 01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:29,000 about what I'm telling you the big black 2206 01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,239 boxes yeah what when you're pressing the 2207 01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:34,400 buttons and they were observing you and 2208 01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:37,520 he said good job that is a second event 2209 01:39:41,860 --> 01:39:40,130 that happened and that had to do with a 2210 01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:41,870 base that was underwater it was a 2211 01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:44,780 separate event that happened where I was 2212 01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:46,940 with another gentleman but the guy with 2213 01:39:51,580 --> 01:39:49,040 the silver hair in the uniform he showed 2214 01:39:54,910 --> 01:39:51,590 up again okay when it comes to seeing 2215 01:39:57,100 --> 01:39:54,920 when the ETS are presenting something 2216 01:40:00,130 --> 01:39:57,110 they're showing it in a hologram that 2217 01:40:02,050 --> 01:40:00,140 levitates in the air whether they're 2218 01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:02,060 showing devastation what it is name it 2219 01:40:05,379 --> 01:40:03,890 whatever they may be showing you they 2220 01:40:09,129 --> 01:40:05,389 show it in a hologram that's projected 2221 01:40:10,820 --> 01:40:09,139 and it's really in midair the other 2222 01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:10,830 things that I saw with them was 2223 01:40:14,300 --> 01:40:12,690 monitors that look like when it came to 2224 01:40:16,490 --> 01:40:14,310 the humans it was monitors that we 2225 01:40:18,350 --> 01:40:16,500 actually sat in front of us and we had 2226 01:40:20,630 --> 01:40:18,360 to push the buttons right when it came 2227 01:40:23,930 --> 01:40:20,640 and when I was downstairs in this in the 2228 01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:23,940 Oh 8 experience underground I didn't 2229 01:40:28,700 --> 01:40:25,890 have any equipment like that in front of 2230 01:40:32,450 --> 01:40:28,710 me that the only technology that I 2231 01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:32,460 really saw was some type of audio 2232 01:40:36,590 --> 01:40:35,010 technology I'm it's some kind of wave or 2233 01:40:38,420 --> 01:40:36,600 audio technology that they were 2234 01:40:40,700 --> 01:40:38,430 employing because think about it 2235 01:40:43,130 --> 01:40:40,710 I had no headphones on I couldn't see 2236 01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:43,140 behind me they said take her back get 2237 01:40:47,090 --> 01:40:44,850 rid of her get her out of here right and 2238 01:40:48,770 --> 01:40:47,100 the guys sitting in front of me were 2239 01:40:52,010 --> 01:40:48,780 turning this machine on whatever this 2240 01:40:54,260 --> 01:40:52,020 and there were two big giant boxes why 2241 01:40:56,180 --> 01:40:54,270 did they put headphones on there had to 2242 01:40:58,820 --> 01:40:56,190 be something that they needed to block 2243 01:41:00,860 --> 01:40:58,830 right some audio sounds something or 2244 01:41:03,020 --> 01:41:00,870 vibration they had to block so that's 2245 01:41:05,630 --> 01:41:03,030 the technology I saw in that particular 2246 01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:05,640 experience so the monitors that were 2247 01:41:09,620 --> 01:41:07,170 tilted back and you're pressing the 2248 01:41:12,500 --> 01:41:09,630 buttons yes do you remember the pictures 2249 01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:12,510 that were flashing on the monitors yes 2250 01:41:17,860 --> 01:41:14,370 it was pictures of crafts it was 2251 01:41:20,900 --> 01:41:17,870 pictures of ETS different species 2252 01:41:22,970 --> 01:41:20,910 interesting but they didn't they didn't 2253 01:41:24,890 --> 01:41:22,980 talk to you they didn't ask you 2254 01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:24,900 questions a guy had a heart monitor on 2255 01:41:29,540 --> 01:41:27,570 us and he was in a lab coat leaning over 2256 01:41:31,190 --> 01:41:29,550 us looking you know getting us sit down 2257 01:41:33,110 --> 01:41:31,200 but also it was interesting on that 2258 01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:33,120 particular experiences is they did not 2259 01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:35,250 bring me into the room until they had us 2260 01:41:40,670 --> 01:41:38,130 through a hazmat unit and I thought what 2261 01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:40,680 did they do to us is there something in 2262 01:41:44,330 --> 01:41:42,690 us because there was a man that was in 2263 01:41:46,730 --> 01:41:44,340 that experience with me they took me 2264 01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:46,740 into one a unit on the left with a meet 2265 01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,510 a female nurse these are all human and 2266 01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:50,880 then he went into the right one and then 2267 01:41:54,440 --> 01:41:52,890 they dressed us they took my blood 2268 01:41:57,440 --> 01:41:54,450 pressure they injected me with something 2269 01:42:00,050 --> 01:41:57,450 they bred my they checked my heart rate 2270 01:42:03,410 --> 01:42:00,060 just normal things had put me into this 2271 01:42:05,060 --> 01:42:03,420 blue like a you know a blue smock that 2272 01:42:06,890 --> 01:42:05,070 should get with the doctors in your 2273 01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:06,900 hospital and then they walked me into 2274 01:42:09,980 --> 01:42:08,370 that room set me down the man was 2275 01:42:13,190 --> 01:42:09,990 already there addressed the same way 2276 01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:13,200 he'd gone into the other area and we 2277 01:42:18,410 --> 01:42:14,250 were sitting there in front of these 2278 01:42:20,090 --> 01:42:18,420 monitors and they they were telling us 2279 01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:20,100 push the buttons what you've seen that 2280 01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:23,040 was it and when I sat down with him the 2281 01:42:26,190 --> 01:42:24,070 room wasn't in 2282 01:42:28,020 --> 01:42:26,200 the room through the glass was dark to 2283 01:42:29,940 --> 01:42:28,030 begin with when we first sat down there 2284 01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:29,950 and he was saying don't talk to him he 2285 01:42:34,410 --> 01:42:32,290 was so angry don't say anything to them 2286 01:42:36,210 --> 01:42:34,420 and again we're talking this is 2287 01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:36,220 something I heard with my ears the man's 2288 01:42:39,180 --> 01:42:38,050 talking with his mouth and that's the 2289 01:42:41,970 --> 01:42:39,190 difference when you're with people 2290 01:42:43,470 --> 01:42:41,980 they're not doing telepathy mm-hmm and 2291 01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:43,480 he's hollering don't talk to him don't 2292 01:42:48,090 --> 01:42:44,770 say anything to him don't give him any 2293 01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:48,100 information and you know I pretty much 2294 01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:50,050 ignored him I you know but they didn't 2295 01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:52,090 talk to us when that experience was over 2296 01:42:59,040 --> 01:42:55,260 and we went back out that's when that 2297 01:43:02,880 --> 01:42:59,050 silver haired uniformed guy was there 2298 01:43:08,660 --> 01:43:02,890 and he said to me good job but what year 2299 01:43:11,850 --> 01:43:08,670 was this what and and did these types of 2300 01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:11,860 abductions kidnappings did they continue 2301 01:43:18,990 --> 01:43:16,810 after this I have honestly I have only 2302 01:43:22,770 --> 01:43:19,000 probably a half a dozen recollections 2303 01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:22,780 and I did only one on one of them I did 2304 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:24,610 a which was I think the underground 2305 01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:26,890 Barbara Lam and I did a little bit of 2306 01:43:34,110 --> 01:43:30,490 regression on that one but they to my 2307 01:43:35,370 --> 01:43:34,120 knowledge they did not happen a great 2308 01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:35,380 deal okay 2309 01:43:38,250 --> 01:43:36,850 now you asked me about the other one 2310 01:43:39,690 --> 01:43:38,260 that I'm talking about where in front of 2311 01:43:43,710 --> 01:43:39,700 the monitor that was about two years 2312 01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:43,720 later in 2010 that that happened oh yeah 2313 01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:45,570 and the first one in the underground was 2314 01:43:52,940 --> 01:43:48,400 2008 the reason why I'm asking about the 2315 01:43:56,610 --> 01:43:52,950 2010 one is because it sounded final 2316 01:43:59,100 --> 01:43:56,620 right it did so did did you have another 2317 01:44:01,800 --> 01:43:59,110 one after that not to my knowledge 2318 01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:01,810 yeah very interesting did you feel like 2319 01:44:06,690 --> 01:44:04,840 that that's the vibe that I got do you 2320 01:44:13,410 --> 01:44:06,700 feel that they were that you were 2321 01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:13,420 finished that they were done well you 2322 01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:15,130 know you have to take into consideration 2323 01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:19,090 the fact that the BT contacts themselves 2324 01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:21,010 has dramatically listened after 2325 01:44:27,930 --> 01:44:24,490 menopause dramatically mm-hmm big big 2326 01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:27,940 difference okay only I mean where 2327 01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:31,690 initially you go back to 91 you know 2328 01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:33,250 when that thing first happened and of 2329 01:44:36,750 --> 01:44:34,690 course you can go back into my childhood 2330 01:44:37,790 --> 01:44:36,760 now and that's in the book too and I was 2331 01:44:40,069 --> 01:44:37,800 finally able to 2332 01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:40,079 understand some of these things that 2333 01:44:45,709 --> 01:44:42,530 were a mystery to me for my childhood 2334 01:44:47,689 --> 01:44:45,719 when you go back and you look at that 2335 01:44:50,299 --> 01:44:47,699 you see there's tremendous amount of 2336 01:44:52,580 --> 01:44:50,309 activity maybe three times a week going 2337 01:44:54,740 --> 01:44:52,590 on and on and on for a while and then 2338 01:44:56,930 --> 01:44:54,750 over time a few years pass and then 2339 01:44:59,330 --> 01:44:56,940 you're it's like maybe once every three 2340 01:45:01,729 --> 01:44:59,340 months then it turns into once every six 2341 01:45:02,839 --> 01:45:01,739 months and depending what's going on 2342 01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:02,849 with you when there's a death in the 2343 01:45:09,169 --> 01:45:05,489 family a lot of turmoil or emotion you 2344 01:45:10,490 --> 01:45:09,179 get more et contacts no there must go 2345 01:45:12,910 --> 01:45:10,500 ahead yeah well I was gonna say because 2346 01:45:14,959 --> 01:45:12,920 the the comment from the gray-haired guy 2347 01:45:17,209 --> 01:45:14,969 right good job 2348 01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:17,219 you know pat on the back right it seems 2349 01:45:22,669 --> 01:45:20,400 kind of final well nothing to my 2350 01:45:25,399 --> 01:45:22,679 knowledge happened since then but I also 2351 01:45:27,589 --> 01:45:25,409 wonder because there is you know it's 2352 01:45:31,069 --> 01:45:27,599 it's greatly reduced at this stage of my 2353 01:45:32,450 --> 01:45:31,079 life the amount of contact so they may 2354 01:45:34,729 --> 01:45:32,460 have gotten the information they were 2355 01:45:38,419 --> 01:45:34,739 interested in by that point 2356 01:45:40,250 --> 01:45:38,429 now why would go ahead go ahead well 2357 01:45:45,250 --> 01:45:40,260 simply because you know they're also 2358 01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:45,260 aware of how contact with et slows down 2359 01:45:50,930 --> 01:45:48,090 you know if they're taking if they're 2360 01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:50,940 taking over them from women for this for 2361 01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:53,760 this breeding program hybrid program for 2362 01:45:59,180 --> 01:45:56,130 genetic manipulation you know let's face 2363 01:46:00,770 --> 01:45:59,190 it after you hit your menopause for a 2364 01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:00,780 woman you know your eggs are not going 2365 01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:04,050 to be good anymore I'm gonna look at the 2366 01:46:09,709 --> 01:46:06,090 clock here Nadine I have 10 minutes 2367 01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:09,719 before the bottom of the hour can I get 2368 01:46:14,899 --> 01:46:13,020 you to hang on after the next segment 2369 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:14,909 after the next commercial break and we 2370 01:46:21,620 --> 01:46:19,170 can continue this conversation what I'm 2371 01:46:25,310 --> 01:46:21,630 talking about so now so now let's go 2372 01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:25,320 right back to it why what is the 2373 01:46:31,370 --> 01:46:28,320 government up to I mean ultimately with 2374 01:46:33,770 --> 01:46:31,380 the MyLab program what's the objective 2375 01:46:36,410 --> 01:46:33,780 and I know it's a subjective answer 2376 01:46:37,879 --> 01:46:36,420 right if this is an opinion thing but 2377 01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:37,889 you've gone through the experiences 2378 01:46:44,569 --> 01:46:41,760 what's the goal well I think they're 2379 01:46:46,069 --> 01:46:44,579 afraid they're afraid of certain races 2380 01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,079 out there that they're very aware of 2381 01:46:50,569 --> 01:46:48,239 they're making nice nice with other 2382 01:46:51,550 --> 01:46:50,579 races that are on the planet they're 2383 01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:51,560 they can work with 2384 01:46:55,450 --> 01:46:53,330 somewhat it's all about power and 2385 01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:55,460 control these I mean they don't know 2386 01:46:58,600 --> 01:46:56,810 what to do with these races they don't 2387 01:46:59,890 --> 01:46:58,610 know what's gonna happen and all these 2388 01:47:01,840 --> 01:46:59,900 people are coming back from these 2389 01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:01,850 experiences and what do they say in 2390 01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:04,880 doomsday doomsday something's hitting 2391 01:47:11,220 --> 01:47:07,490 our planet you know is that true I don't 2392 01:47:15,010 --> 01:47:11,230 know but there's a large number of 2393 01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:15,020 experiencers abductees that are showing 2394 01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:17,360 these you know terrible events taking 2395 01:47:20,110 --> 01:47:18,800 place on the planet now you could say to 2396 01:47:21,730 --> 01:47:20,120 yourself Oh are they just screen 2397 01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:21,740 memories they're trying to scare us but 2398 01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:23,690 if you look at our planet and how 2399 01:47:30,220 --> 01:47:27,440 evolves historically there's evolution 2400 01:47:31,390 --> 01:47:30,230 it's happening now you know look what's 2401 01:47:33,490 --> 01:47:31,400 happening at a planet look what's 2402 01:47:35,650 --> 01:47:33,500 happening to the you know the ice on our 2403 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:35,660 planet I mean things are shifting we're 2404 01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:37,610 gonna go through another major major 2405 01:47:43,690 --> 01:47:40,400 geological shifts and changes we're 2406 01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:43,700 talking about pole shifts here so you 2407 01:47:46,810 --> 01:47:45,770 know we're in a state here we don't know 2408 01:47:48,970 --> 01:47:46,820 what's going to happen 2409 01:47:50,860 --> 01:47:48,980 we've got ETS that are suggesting 2410 01:47:53,170 --> 01:47:50,870 through contacts that they're going to 2411 01:47:56,140 --> 01:47:53,180 be taking some of us off the planet to 2412 01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:56,150 protect us and bring some back they're 2413 01:47:59,110 --> 01:47:57,650 giving certain people telling them 2414 01:48:01,300 --> 01:47:59,120 they're going to be liaisons like 2415 01:48:03,670 --> 01:48:01,310 they've alluded to me or they're going 2416 01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:03,680 to have other jobs when the crisis hits 2417 01:48:08,650 --> 01:48:07,040 the planet so you know human military 2418 01:48:11,230 --> 01:48:08,660 the powers that be are picking up some 2419 01:48:13,570 --> 01:48:11,240 of this information they're watching it 2420 01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:13,580 listening to it trying to prepare for it 2421 01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:15,410 the meantime we're worrying against each 2422 01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:17,570 other on the planet so they want power 2423 01:48:21,370 --> 01:48:19,610 and control what's this technology 2424 01:48:24,190 --> 01:48:21,380 cannot how can I kill them quicker 2425 01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:24,200 faster get it first you know pretty 2426 01:48:33,580 --> 01:48:30,800 nasty mess and the the ongoing 2427 01:48:35,380 --> 01:48:33,590 involvement which has to be part of our 2428 01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:35,390 reality and I'm talking about out of 2429 01:48:39,250 --> 01:48:37,730 Washington DC and other state actors 2430 01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:39,260 from around the world this isn't an 2431 01:48:46,690 --> 01:48:42,590 American thing this is this is a planet 2432 01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:46,700 Earth thing but the the government has 2433 01:48:52,450 --> 01:48:50,810 to be fully aware has to be it has to be 2434 01:48:54,430 --> 01:48:52,460 there's just no question about that part 2435 01:48:55,330 --> 01:48:54,440 of it I don't you ask you know you're 2436 01:48:57,070 --> 01:48:55,340 asking me for I'm telling you 2437 01:48:59,170 --> 01:48:57,080 percentages and how I believe things I 2438 01:49:03,240 --> 01:48:59,180 believe that's 100 percent yeah I'm done 2439 01:49:08,430 --> 01:49:03,250 I'm going 105 I'm going to believe I've 2440 01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:08,440 but but Nadine the the the community 2441 01:49:14,730 --> 01:49:11,110 that wants disclosure and wants the 2442 01:49:17,580 --> 01:49:14,740 government to admit to these things and 2443 01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:17,590 that we're getting close to it they 2444 01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:20,290 would have to explain a lot of stuff 2445 01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:22,090 it's never gonna happen 2446 01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:24,370 I don't believe that's ever gonna happen 2447 01:49:27,630 --> 01:49:25,090 you know 2448 01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:27,640 our disclosure is gonna happen through 2449 01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:30,850 all of us right and into the to the very 2450 01:49:34,020 --> 01:49:32,320 end they're gonna stand up there and 2451 01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:34,030 they're gonna be saying you know in 2452 01:49:37,950 --> 01:49:36,250 their little power mongers and their 2453 01:49:40,530 --> 01:49:37,960 little offices are gonna be saying it's 2454 01:49:43,650 --> 01:49:40,540 not really never happened it's not true 2455 01:49:45,330 --> 01:49:43,660 we've never seen one and we've all we're 2456 01:49:46,650 --> 01:49:45,340 gonna be way down the line on that it's 2457 01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:46,660 just gonna come some point it's just not 2458 01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:48,880 gonna matter anymore because we're gonna 2459 01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:51,040 know it's out there it's happening now 2460 01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:52,770 disclosure is happening now 2461 01:50:02,120 --> 01:49:56,170 why would I'm so interested in this 2462 01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:02,130 question I ask every guest why would the 2463 01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:04,810 Pentagon specifically the United States 2464 01:50:10,350 --> 01:50:07,690 Navy start talking about UFOs and you 2465 01:50:12,690 --> 01:50:10,360 ApS but they talk about it almost in the 2466 01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:12,700 third person they don't want to say it's 2467 01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:13,450 alien 2468 01:50:22,170 --> 01:50:18,930 maybe it's you ApS it's unidentified 2469 01:50:25,020 --> 01:50:22,180 it's invading our airspace our military 2470 01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:25,030 is is is possibly being threatened here 2471 01:50:32,430 --> 01:50:27,490 and they play the fear card but they 2472 01:50:34,940 --> 01:50:32,440 won't cross the line why why you know 2473 01:50:37,230 --> 01:50:34,950 what I mean it's almost worse than and 2474 01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:37,240 they're gonna keep a few cards to 2475 01:50:40,500 --> 01:50:39,130 themselves all the time they got to give 2476 01:50:42,300 --> 01:50:40,510 us something a little teeny bit of 2477 01:50:44,930 --> 01:50:42,310 tidbit we're seeing what the power the 2478 01:50:48,480 --> 01:50:44,940 people can be aren't we lately yeah yeah 2479 01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:48,490 yeah you know and and this movement of 2480 01:50:53,340 --> 01:50:51,010 disclosure is growing and growing and 2481 01:50:55,470 --> 01:50:53,350 growing and you know it's wonderful 2482 01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:55,480 because you know we have shows like 2483 01:50:58,350 --> 01:50:56,770 yours we have shows all over the 2484 01:51:00,630 --> 01:50:58,360 internet on the television everywhere 2485 01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:00,640 it's growing growing growing you know 2486 01:51:05,730 --> 01:51:03,040 and we still have some measure of 2487 01:51:07,620 --> 01:51:05,740 electing our politicians some measure 2488 01:51:08,910 --> 01:51:07,630 you know they all want to play the game 2489 01:51:11,130 --> 01:51:08,920 and they don't want to come out and say 2490 01:51:12,990 --> 01:51:11,140 anything but you know we're power 2491 01:51:14,820 --> 01:51:13,000 mongers it's power and control and 2492 01:51:15,540 --> 01:51:14,830 there's a very small number of people 2493 01:51:19,110 --> 01:51:15,550 that run the entire 2494 01:51:23,100 --> 01:51:19,120 planet is our yeah you're right about 2495 01:51:25,110 --> 01:51:23,110 that are they reacting to the popularity 2496 01:51:30,150 --> 01:51:25,120 of fade to black and coast to coast and 2497 01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:30,160 ancient aliens are they yeah yeah yeah 2498 01:51:35,370 --> 01:51:33,370 it's charism absolutely I believe it and 2499 01:51:37,290 --> 01:51:35,380 you know so they they're gonna drop a 2500 01:51:38,940 --> 01:51:37,300 little tidbit now and then and we grab 2501 01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:38,950 it and we grab it up you know and we 2502 01:51:44,700 --> 01:51:41,920 spread it all over you know but the 2503 01:51:47,610 --> 01:51:44,710 reality is is you know you know do we 2504 01:51:49,260 --> 01:51:47,620 really is that really that important is 2505 01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:49,270 that really that important you know 2506 01:51:53,940 --> 01:51:51,250 these people are in secret but you know 2507 01:51:56,580 --> 01:51:53,950 I one of the things with all of this 2508 01:51:59,310 --> 01:51:56,590 issue and this is just for me for my 2509 01:52:01,260 --> 01:51:59,320 life is that I live a spiritual life I I 2510 01:52:03,090 --> 01:52:01,270 you know when you really start looking 2511 01:52:05,850 --> 01:52:03,100 at this world in this life your own life 2512 01:52:08,220 --> 01:52:05,860 you see that we are multi-dimensional in 2513 01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:08,230 so many ways humans are and there's more 2514 01:52:13,140 --> 01:52:11,170 to us than just the surface and if you 2515 01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:13,150 you know the reason I've been able to 2516 01:52:18,900 --> 01:52:15,130 process all of this over time is because 2517 01:52:21,420 --> 01:52:18,910 I have a solid foundation a relationship 2518 01:52:23,460 --> 01:52:21,430 to the whole you can call it God you can 2519 01:52:25,500 --> 01:52:23,470 call it the force you can call it you 2520 01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:25,510 know the field of infinite possibilities 2521 01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:27,130 but I have a relationship to it and I 2522 01:52:30,210 --> 01:52:28,210 have a place in it 2523 01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:30,220 and therefore I know that everything is 2524 01:52:33,870 --> 01:52:31,810 coming out of the one source and it 2525 01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:33,880 starts to balance itself out so these 2526 01:52:40,350 --> 01:52:36,610 power mongers whoever they are lying and 2527 01:52:43,650 --> 01:52:40,360 cheating all of the deception will come 2528 01:52:46,170 --> 01:52:43,660 out eventually it will come out you know 2529 01:52:49,290 --> 01:52:46,180 we cannot help but to some degree evolve 2530 01:52:51,450 --> 01:52:49,300 as humans and what we're doing here the 2531 01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:51,460 things we talk about here is a huge 2532 01:52:56,730 --> 01:52:54,880 piece of our evolution and as we step 2533 01:52:59,370 --> 01:52:56,740 out as a people and become people of the 2534 01:53:02,190 --> 01:52:59,380 earth as we step out in consciousness 2535 01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:02,200 and realize we're not alone and there's 2536 01:53:06,750 --> 01:53:04,510 so much more out there in the cosmos as 2537 01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:06,760 we do that we're gonna look back at this 2538 01:53:11,310 --> 01:53:08,170 little planet and there's things we will 2539 01:53:13,110 --> 01:53:11,320 no longer tolerate we're gonna shift we 2540 01:53:16,170 --> 01:53:13,120 have to shift and then you couple it 2541 01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,180 with all the geological changes that are 2542 01:53:19,650 --> 01:53:17,920 going to happen it's going to get worse 2543 01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:19,660 whether it's going to get worse things 2544 01:53:22,770 --> 01:53:21,010 are going to happen there's going to 2545 01:53:24,630 --> 01:53:22,780 come a point where cooperation is going 2546 01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:24,640 to be absolutely vital I like the way 2547 01:53:27,210 --> 01:53:26,080 you were talking about it earlier in the 2548 01:53:30,150 --> 01:53:27,220 show in the beginning when you were 2549 01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:30,160 talking about you 2550 01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:32,170 what happened you know we thought with 2551 01:53:36,690 --> 01:53:33,489 kovat we were gonna start to see some 2552 01:53:39,150 --> 01:53:36,700 cooperation a new day right and maybe we 2553 01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:39,160 are though because all of this anger in 2554 01:53:44,310 --> 01:53:41,650 this rage is so distressing to all of us 2555 01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:44,320 all of its so sad it's so distressing 2556 01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:46,930 but even when you see anger and rage 2557 01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:48,850 what you're seeing at the base of it 2558 01:53:53,250 --> 01:53:51,250 what causes it is woundedness there's 2559 01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:53,260 nobody I don't care what the color your 2560 01:53:58,979 --> 01:53:55,690 skin is we are all walking around with 2561 01:54:01,290 --> 01:53:58,989 wounds all of us and the only way these 2562 01:54:04,020 --> 01:54:01,300 things could heal is to come out they've 2563 01:54:06,390 --> 01:54:04,030 got to come out a wound will Fester if 2564 01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:06,400 it doesn't come out get acknowledged get 2565 01:54:10,710 --> 01:54:08,890 taken care of and so as awful as all of 2566 01:54:12,510 --> 01:54:10,720 this is it's been happening from a 2567 01:54:14,430 --> 01:54:12,520 spiritual standpoint what may be 2568 01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:14,440 happiness something's being cleared up 2569 01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:17,410 and cleared out so you may be right when 2570 01:54:22,530 --> 01:54:19,930 you were talking about kovat we may be 2571 01:54:24,810 --> 01:54:22,540 headed towards a more peaceful day a 2572 01:54:27,540 --> 01:54:24,820 more peaceful society and this may 2573 01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:27,550 actually be a part of it a catalyst for 2574 01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:32,170 it yeah it was pretty amazing for for me 2575 01:54:37,500 --> 01:54:34,330 and the rest of the world now it's just 2576 01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:37,510 not me but it was pretty amazing for me 2577 01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:41,650 to see the calmness that we were going 2578 01:54:47,310 --> 01:54:45,040 through you know being in lockdown less 2579 01:54:50,610 --> 01:54:47,320 traffic less pollution less crime less 2580 01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:50,620 everything every you know it sucked it 2581 01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:53,440 still sucks being at home right and the 2582 01:54:58,140 --> 01:54:56,170 economy and jobs yes I realize all of 2583 01:55:02,430 --> 01:54:58,150 that but there was a calmness to the 2584 01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:02,440 planet yeah and on a dime a beam on a 2585 01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:07,210 dime 24 hours later we were in chaos 2586 01:55:14,180 --> 01:55:10,810 chaos did you see I I can't remember 2587 01:55:17,580 --> 01:55:14,190 where it happened you might recall where 2588 01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:17,590 the one lone officer was backed against 2589 01:55:22,530 --> 01:55:20,050 the store and the crowd was coming 2590 01:55:25,950 --> 01:55:22,540 towards him it had gotten semi violent 2591 01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:25,960 at that point and there were I don't 2592 01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:30,370 know a half a dozen men black man that 2593 01:55:35,100 --> 01:55:32,770 locked their arms around him to protect 2594 01:55:37,140 --> 01:55:35,110 him yeah I didn't see that I think that 2595 01:55:39,540 --> 01:55:37,150 was beautiful I mean you know it's so 2596 01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:39,550 easy to say it's just so easy to get 2597 01:55:44,910 --> 01:55:42,610 lost in the in the behavior of some 2598 01:55:47,970 --> 01:55:44,920 you know and miss the behavior of others 2599 01:55:49,590 --> 01:55:47,980 to generalize and so there's some 2600 01:55:51,870 --> 01:55:49,600 beautiful things going on out there too 2601 01:55:54,270 --> 01:55:51,880 it's it's you know let's face it the 2602 01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:54,280 media loves the drama and they pump it 2603 01:55:57,180 --> 01:55:56,050 up and they pump it up and they love to 2604 01:56:00,240 --> 01:55:57,190 have it in our face 2605 01:56:02,580 --> 01:56:00,250 right keep the news going and the media 2606 01:56:04,350 --> 01:56:02,590 isn't isn't so wonderful about sharing 2607 01:56:07,169 --> 01:56:04,360 the good stuff the stuff that works the 2608 01:56:09,390 --> 01:56:07,179 happy stuff the camaraderie but it's 2609 01:56:11,459 --> 01:56:09,400 there I think it's there in the midst of 2610 01:56:14,340 --> 01:56:11,469 it we're just not hearing enough of it 2611 01:56:15,870 --> 01:56:14,350 let's take our break right here excuse 2612 01:56:18,540 --> 01:56:15,880 me we're gonna go right into overtime 2613 01:56:20,850 --> 01:56:18,550 with Nadine Leila chat host watching 2614 01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:20,860 everybody's reaction 18 overtimes knew 2615 01:56:24,540 --> 01:56:23,530 it there's no way this was ending of 2616 01:56:26,129 --> 01:56:24,550 course not 2617 01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:26,139 this is fade to black our guest tonight 2618 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entertainment including the network 2688 01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:51,780 you're listening to right now the 2689 02:00:04,230 --> 01:59:54,690 paranormal radio app free in Google Play 2690 02:00:16,580 --> 02:00:07,930 it's not a lifestyle we chose we were 2691 02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:20,730 this is KJ CR Jimmy's church radio 2692 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:21,690 jockey ha 2693 02:00:40,410 --> 02:00:38,010 welcome back fade to black over time 2694 02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:40,420 with Nadine Leila chime arrows Jimmy 2695 02:00:44,190 --> 02:00:41,650 Church again you can follow me on 2696 02:00:45,150 --> 02:00:44,200 twitter @ JT radio during the 2697 02:00:49,020 --> 02:00:45,160 conversation 2698 02:00:51,270 --> 02:00:49,030 hashtag f2b you can follow Naveen at 2699 02:00:52,940 --> 02:00:51,280 Maidan Leila we've got everything up 2700 02:00:58,860 --> 02:00:52,950 right there in our Twitter feed and 2701 02:01:00,750 --> 02:00:58,870 Nadine I want to talk about DNA and the 2702 02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:00,760 hybrid program on Wednesday we're gonna 2703 02:01:05,970 --> 02:01:02,770 have a Bruce Fenton here with his new 2704 02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:05,980 book discussing this very very important 2705 02:01:13,710 --> 02:01:10,930 subject and when I get somebody with the 2706 02:01:17,070 --> 02:01:13,720 skeptical face on this subject right and 2707 02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:17,080 you know what when it happens and they 2708 02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:19,450 go okay what Jimmy you know what proof 2709 02:01:29,190 --> 02:01:23,730 of it do you have I immediately say us 2710 02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:29,200 us 200,000 years ago you and I homo 2711 02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:32,530 sapien sapien just appeared out of 2712 02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:33,730 nowhere 2713 02:01:43,140 --> 02:01:38,290 upright done homo sapien sapien that's 2714 02:01:45,570 --> 02:01:43,150 it with changes in our DNA and that just 2715 02:01:48,630 --> 02:01:45,580 didn't happen on its own there isn't 2716 02:01:51,450 --> 02:01:48,640 some miracle of nature you know 2717 02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:51,460 lightning strike you know that just came 2718 02:01:55,290 --> 02:01:53,290 down and altered our DNA and and 2719 02:01:58,410 --> 02:01:55,300 suddenly we just appeared on this planet 2720 02:02:01,110 --> 02:01:58,420 I don't have an explanation for it but 2721 02:02:04,050 --> 02:02:01,120 the easiest thing that I can think of is 2722 02:02:06,390 --> 02:02:04,060 that we were messed with we were placed 2723 02:02:08,130 --> 02:02:06,400 here and I'm okay with that because 2724 02:02:11,010 --> 02:02:08,140 right now we don't have an alternative 2725 02:02:14,060 --> 02:02:11,020 there's nothing in the fossil record I'm 2726 02:02:15,810 --> 02:02:14,070 real okay with that I gotta tell you 2727 02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:15,820 it's true 2728 02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:19,360 yeah yeah I mean we're an interesting 2729 02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:22,570 species and if you do come to a point 2730 02:02:27,930 --> 02:02:24,610 where you do believe we've been seeded 2731 02:02:30,930 --> 02:02:27,940 on this planet you know if you you know 2732 02:02:32,820 --> 02:02:30,940 look at Sakurai accession and the 2733 02:02:34,920 --> 02:02:32,830 Anasazi A's and Sumerians and all of 2734 02:02:38,490 --> 02:02:34,930 that that's such a fascinating study of 2735 02:02:40,290 --> 02:02:38,500 what took place there I do believe we've 2736 02:02:42,510 --> 02:02:40,300 there's a very good possibility we've 2737 02:02:44,700 --> 02:02:42,520 been seeded and that we've probably been 2738 02:02:46,410 --> 02:02:44,710 altered along the way you know one of 2739 02:02:49,020 --> 02:02:46,420 the things that's interesting and Joe 2740 02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:49,030 Montalvo is doing a lot of that is 2741 02:02:54,860 --> 02:02:52,210 dealing with the Rh factor how many 2742 02:03:00,090 --> 02:02:54,870 people that are having these experiences 2743 02:03:01,530 --> 02:03:00,100 also have rh blood rh negative and 2744 02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:01,540 there's a lot of people and i have it 2745 02:03:07,950 --> 02:03:01,930 also 2746 02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:07,960 oh you're rh yeah okay that's a whole 2747 02:03:19,290 --> 02:03:16,930 other Dori just but you were presented I 2748 02:03:23,490 --> 02:03:19,300 want you to use your own words of course 2749 02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:23,500 but you were presented with this 2750 02:03:28,710 --> 02:03:27,010 evidence and you confronted what wait a 2751 02:03:32,070 --> 02:03:28,720 minute wait a minute I'm telling your 2752 02:03:35,010 --> 02:03:32,080 story okay what happened well first of 2753 02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:35,020 all through the years is I had through 2754 02:03:40,050 --> 02:03:38,530 my you know late 20s and 30s I kept 2755 02:03:42,090 --> 02:03:40,060 having what I thought was a reoccurring 2756 02:03:44,700 --> 02:03:42,100 dream okay and it was a reoccurring 2757 02:03:46,110 --> 02:03:44,710 dream that I was in this room and I 2758 02:03:49,050 --> 02:03:46,120 thought it was a dream back then this is 2759 02:03:51,210 --> 02:03:49,060 before my 91 experience it was a dream 2760 02:03:53,130 --> 02:03:51,220 and I saw a little girl and there were I 2761 02:03:55,050 --> 02:03:53,140 was being watched it was very foggy but 2762 02:03:57,240 --> 02:03:55,060 I'm in the dream and it was it repeated 2763 02:03:59,940 --> 02:03:57,250 itself a lot and I would see this little 2764 02:04:02,460 --> 02:03:59,950 girl and she had very sketchy blond hair 2765 02:04:04,470 --> 02:04:02,470 her skin was in very bad condition she 2766 02:04:06,420 --> 02:04:04,480 was three or four years old and I was 2767 02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:06,430 being encouraged in the dream people 2768 02:04:10,350 --> 02:04:07,930 were watching and I'm thinking well 2769 02:04:12,210 --> 02:04:10,360 maybe it's my relatives and I would be 2770 02:04:16,230 --> 02:04:12,220 presented with this little girl and oh 2771 02:04:20,670 --> 02:04:16,240 my god I just was so moved by her deeply 2772 02:04:22,500 --> 02:04:20,680 deeply moved and you know feeling so 2773 02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:22,510 committed to her so much love for her 2774 02:04:26,850 --> 02:04:25,330 well I never you know I kind of passed 2775 02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:26,860 that off through the years and didn't 2776 02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:28,930 think much of it but after the 91 2777 02:04:35,190 --> 02:04:32,890 experience and I you know I sat on that 2778 02:04:37,500 --> 02:04:35,200 for a number of years meaning I didn't 2779 02:04:39,690 --> 02:04:37,510 talk about it for about 12 13 14 years 2780 02:04:41,940 --> 02:04:39,700 at all and I kept it to myself except 2781 02:04:43,980 --> 02:04:41,950 for journaling some of the experiences 2782 02:04:48,180 --> 02:04:43,990 happened where I was presented with an 2783 02:04:50,250 --> 02:04:48,190 adult that you would consider a hybrid 2784 02:04:52,530 --> 02:04:50,260 on some of the crafts during some of the 2785 02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:52,540 experiences and when this happened in 2786 02:04:58,320 --> 02:04:55,450 one time in particular it was so deeply 2787 02:05:00,020 --> 02:04:58,330 moving if I did a regression once with 2788 02:05:02,029 --> 02:05:00,030 Yvonne Smith on this 2789 02:05:04,310 --> 02:05:02,039 and I had all the recollection but we 2790 02:05:06,919 --> 02:05:04,320 did one with her and I just cried and 2791 02:05:10,669 --> 02:05:06,929 cried because I was presented with her 2792 02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:10,679 and she would be an absolute replica to 2793 02:05:15,229 --> 02:05:12,570 the child that I saw and what I thought 2794 02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:15,239 was repeating dreams years before and 2795 02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:18,570 she was a very tall very slender she had 2796 02:05:23,990 --> 02:05:21,210 the blonde hair but shaved very short in 2797 02:05:26,330 --> 02:05:24,000 her hedge her eyes were very large huge 2798 02:05:29,870 --> 02:05:26,340 but they also were blue and my eyes are 2799 02:05:32,060 --> 02:05:29,880 very blue and she came out on a number 2800 02:05:34,220 --> 02:05:32,070 of occasions and would stand next to me 2801 02:05:37,250 --> 02:05:34,230 and one in particular was very difficult 2802 02:05:39,109 --> 02:05:37,260 because there was a door that it looked 2803 02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:39,119 like I was on a craft and she came out 2804 02:05:44,359 --> 02:05:41,130 of the door and she stood beside my 2805 02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:44,369 chair and then she lifted her hand up 2806 02:05:51,379 --> 02:05:48,690 but she was very um mushy didn't 2807 02:05:53,689 --> 02:05:51,389 register she didn't look at me the head 2808 02:05:56,720 --> 02:05:53,699 was very large the body very slender 2809 02:05:58,609 --> 02:05:56,730 small maybe she stood five five and a 2810 02:06:01,010 --> 02:05:58,619 half feet tall something like that 2811 02:06:04,459 --> 02:06:01,020 Jen she laid one of her hands on my 2812 02:06:06,859 --> 02:06:04,469 shoulder and I'm telling you the emotion 2813 02:06:09,859 --> 02:06:06,869 that I felt was exactly what a mother 2814 02:06:11,419 --> 02:06:09,869 feels for a child it was just 2815 02:06:13,879 --> 02:06:11,429 overwhelming just absolutely 2816 02:06:18,379 --> 02:06:13,889 overwhelming it was breaking my heart 2817 02:06:21,529 --> 02:06:18,389 because she was so subdued in the sense 2818 02:06:24,109 --> 02:06:21,539 that I had is that I felt the sense that 2819 02:06:25,669 --> 02:06:24,119 if indeed this was a hybrid and it was 2820 02:06:28,100 --> 02:06:25,679 the one I'd seen as a child the time 2821 02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:28,110 frame worked because at that time she 2822 02:06:31,970 --> 02:06:30,090 would have been in her 20s and it 2823 02:06:33,350 --> 02:06:31,980 absolutely matched the time that years 2824 02:06:35,209 --> 02:06:33,360 before when I would have seen her as a 2825 02:06:38,330 --> 02:06:35,219 child in what I thought was a dream 2826 02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:38,340 quote-unquote but the sense of being 2827 02:06:46,339 --> 02:06:43,650 lost was profound and the overwhelming 2828 02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:46,349 since I had and I had other occasions 2829 02:06:50,080 --> 02:06:48,570 where I did see babies deformed horribly 2830 02:06:53,510 --> 02:06:50,090 deformed babies through these windows 2831 02:06:55,700 --> 02:06:53,520 was that they don't belong anywhere 2832 02:06:58,520 --> 02:06:55,710 their experiments it lived on the craft 2833 02:07:00,890 --> 02:06:58,530 they're all little different but the 2834 02:07:03,229 --> 02:07:00,900 feeling was that she that they alluded 2835 02:07:06,979 --> 02:07:03,239 to was that she had been you know 2836 02:07:09,759 --> 02:07:06,989 created from my genetic material so he 2837 02:07:12,740 --> 02:07:09,769 kind of answered my question for me 2838 02:07:16,580 --> 02:07:12,750 except 2839 02:07:19,070 --> 02:07:16,590 women okay you find out that you're 2840 02:07:22,010 --> 02:07:19,080 pregnant you do the calculations okay 2841 02:07:25,940 --> 02:07:22,020 must have conceived on this day project 2842 02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:25,950 forward now the due date is blah blah 2843 02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:29,010 blah right we do we do these things you 2844 02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:31,440 must have gone through the same thing 2845 02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:33,030 you kind of answered it there right it 2846 02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:36,810 fit the timeline but going back was 2847 02:07:44,150 --> 02:07:40,650 there as you're guessing her age was 2848 02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:44,160 there a time when they did remove eggs 2849 02:07:49,250 --> 02:07:45,810 from your body 2850 02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:49,260 I have recollections of being examined 2851 02:07:56,720 --> 02:07:53,450 and having I have a very specific 2852 02:07:59,120 --> 02:07:56,730 recollection of having needles put into 2853 02:08:01,970 --> 02:07:59,130 my abdomen and having something sort of 2854 02:08:04,640 --> 02:08:01,980 like a vacuum hose inserted through my 2855 02:08:09,110 --> 02:08:04,650 vagina up into my uterus right right 2856 02:08:16,180 --> 02:08:09,120 okay and several times I lost babies in 2857 02:08:17,870 --> 02:08:16,190 my life and one of them with 2858 02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:17,880 miscarriages I had a couple of 2859 02:08:25,570 --> 02:08:21,210 miscarriages and one where there was one 2860 02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:25,580 that I am not sure what happened to it 2861 02:08:31,370 --> 02:08:29,370 whether or not do I think she was just 2862 02:08:34,370 --> 02:08:31,380 stated within my own body that 2863 02:08:36,830 --> 02:08:34,380 particular one I don't think so I don't 2864 02:08:40,370 --> 02:08:36,840 think so I think it would have been more 2865 02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:40,380 of a test-tube baby if you will whatever 2866 02:08:45,350 --> 02:08:43,290 that process might be but I did you know 2867 02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:45,360 I did have experiences of having them 2868 02:08:50,180 --> 02:08:47,040 remove something from my uterus on 2869 02:08:54,590 --> 02:08:50,190 several occasions when when this type of 2870 02:09:00,530 --> 02:08:54,600 medical procedure is happening did it 2871 02:09:03,770 --> 02:09:00,540 seem well practiced right that you 2872 02:09:08,500 --> 02:09:03,780 weren't the fall oh oh oh it's very 2873 02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:08,510 specific right right they knew there was 2874 02:09:12,440 --> 02:09:11,610 but a boom bah Dabang baby right right 2875 02:09:15,290 --> 02:09:12,450 right 2876 02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:15,300 that that's kind of creepy yeah it's 2877 02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:18,690 creepy it's creepy and and what's really 2878 02:09:22,850 --> 02:09:20,490 strange to me though is my emotional 2879 02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:22,860 reaction to it now I didn't you know 2880 02:09:27,390 --> 02:09:25,210 that I didn't want to I didn't go into 2881 02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:27,400 detail with that one because you know as 2882 02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:28,960 I was telling you earlier it takes a 2883 02:09:33,870 --> 02:09:31,360 while to adjust this stuff even if it 2884 02:09:35,970 --> 02:09:33,880 happens to you it's just not something 2885 02:09:36,780 --> 02:09:35,980 you can accept overnight it takes a long 2886 02:09:39,570 --> 02:09:36,790 time 2887 02:09:42,300 --> 02:09:39,580 you know and and so I inch my way 2888 02:09:44,370 --> 02:09:42,310 through the years is that a possibility 2889 02:09:45,780 --> 02:09:44,380 yeah is that not I'm not ready for that 2890 02:09:47,580 --> 02:09:45,790 one yet yeah I'll take that one over 2891 02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:47,590 there yeah I could see that could be but 2892 02:09:55,860 --> 02:09:49,770 then I reject another takes a long time 2893 02:10:00,110 --> 02:09:55,870 you want you want you you want your team 2894 02:10:03,390 --> 02:10:00,120 your medical team to have precision 2895 02:10:06,630 --> 02:10:03,400 military precision I don't care what the 2896 02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:06,640 procedure is you want your dentist yes 2897 02:10:11,610 --> 02:10:09,010 and not have questions about what he is 2898 02:10:14,430 --> 02:10:11,620 doing well you know also what's 2899 02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:14,440 interesting is that by the time I was in 2900 02:10:19,050 --> 02:10:17,410 my oh I don't know late 40s I had 2901 02:10:21,810 --> 02:10:19,060 terrible endometriosis 2902 02:10:23,729 --> 02:10:21,820 and I just miscarried normally naturally 2903 02:10:27,530 --> 02:10:23,739 several times I couldn't hold a fetus 2904 02:10:30,240 --> 02:10:27,540 and when you look into a lot of these 2905 02:10:32,130 --> 02:10:30,250 women who have had these abduction 2906 02:10:36,570 --> 02:10:32,140 experiences and believe they have been 2907 02:10:38,490 --> 02:10:36,580 genetically messed with they suffer 2908 02:10:43,800 --> 02:10:38,500 endometriosis it's fairly common with 2909 02:10:46,979 --> 02:10:43,810 female experiencers now now that you've 2910 02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:46,989 had time to recollect and of course 2911 02:10:56,070 --> 02:10:51,730 write shows like this and so forth would 2912 02:10:58,920 --> 02:10:56,080 you do you miss the experiences in other 2913 02:11:03,660 --> 02:10:58,930 words if it happened again are you okay 2914 02:11:06,270 --> 02:11:03,670 with it no you're not no no I I mean 2915 02:11:08,190 --> 02:11:06,280 I've made peace with it because I 2916 02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:08,200 brought it into my spiritual world I 2917 02:11:13,890 --> 02:11:10,719 made it a piece of my own reality I 2918 02:11:16,229 --> 02:11:13,900 integrated it if you will in psychology 2919 02:11:18,360 --> 02:11:16,239 terms I was able to integrate it finally 2920 02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:18,370 into my life and when I left the legal 2921 02:11:21,479 --> 02:11:20,320 practice it was easier because I didn't 2922 02:11:25,050 --> 02:11:21,489 have to worry about what people were 2923 02:11:27,620 --> 02:11:25,060 thinking right so I integrated it but I 2924 02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:27,630 I hope what would never happen again 2925 02:11:32,459 --> 02:11:31,090 I'm not one of those I'm not all you 2926 02:11:35,190 --> 02:11:32,469 know and I know some people are very 2927 02:11:36,870 --> 02:11:35,200 happy with it but probably it has to do 2928 02:11:39,120 --> 02:11:36,880 with a couple of things and 2929 02:11:40,590 --> 02:11:39,130 to do with what type of entities you've 2930 02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:40,600 come in contact with in what they've 2931 02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:42,970 done to you that's one thing and the 2932 02:11:51,150 --> 02:11:47,440 second thing is you know it's a way of 2933 02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:51,160 coping making nice nice you know like 2934 02:11:58,590 --> 02:11:55,210 the Patty Hearst issue and mmm sometimes 2935 02:12:00,990 --> 02:11:58,600 you have to make it nice in order to 2936 02:12:03,300 --> 02:12:01,000 resolve it within yourself and not be a 2937 02:12:06,360 --> 02:12:03,310 victim nobody wants to be a victim you 2938 02:12:08,280 --> 02:12:06,370 have to find your way out of that you 2939 02:12:09,630 --> 02:12:08,290 did say and I found this very 2940 02:12:11,460 --> 02:12:09,640 interesting because I think it would 2941 02:12:13,230 --> 02:12:11,470 have had the same reaction when they 2942 02:12:15,480 --> 02:12:13,240 said let's get her out of here like no 2943 02:12:17,490 --> 02:12:15,490 no no no let's let's let's keep this 2944 02:12:22,230 --> 02:12:17,500 moving forward I want to know what's 2945 02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:22,240 going on like that wouldn't have been 2946 02:12:26,460 --> 02:12:23,890 with the that was because they were 2947 02:12:28,500 --> 02:12:26,470 humans involved and I was looking at and 2948 02:12:30,660 --> 02:12:28,510 again I have a tremendous curiosity and 2949 02:12:31,890 --> 02:12:30,670 I was very alert and awake and I was 2950 02:12:34,770 --> 02:12:31,900 seeing something I'd never seen before 2951 02:12:38,310 --> 02:12:34,780 this was not the this was this was a 2952 02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:38,320 human orchestrated event and it was 2953 02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:39,370 totally different 2954 02:12:44,460 --> 02:12:42,610 I wanted the information I was curious 2955 02:12:46,140 --> 02:12:44,470 about the devices and technology that 2956 02:12:48,900 --> 02:12:46,150 they were using I wanted to know what 2957 02:12:50,970 --> 02:12:48,910 that was right you know I wanted to see 2958 02:12:52,410 --> 02:12:50,980 what was really happening let's get down 2959 02:12:54,660 --> 02:12:52,420 to the nitty gritty and the truth of 2960 02:12:56,490 --> 02:12:54,670 this thing now the ETS weren't gonna do 2961 02:12:58,560 --> 02:12:56,500 that and this was the closest I was 2962 02:13:01,220 --> 02:12:58,570 going to come to it if I had some form 2963 02:13:03,690 --> 02:13:01,230 of cooperation with these military 2964 02:13:06,090 --> 02:13:03,700 potentially military people here maybe I 2965 02:13:07,530 --> 02:13:06,100 would have got more information I have a 2966 02:13:10,260 --> 02:13:07,540 voracious appetite for it the 2967 02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:10,270 information you know but as far as you 2968 02:13:15,510 --> 02:13:12,850 know do I need to do it again no do I 2969 02:13:18,510 --> 02:13:15,520 ever need to have these experiences with 2970 02:13:20,850 --> 02:13:18,520 extraterrestrials again no no I don't I 2971 02:13:22,820 --> 02:13:20,860 didn't want it to happen then and I 2972 02:13:27,660 --> 02:13:22,830 don't I don't need it to happen now 2973 02:13:29,460 --> 02:13:27,670 well with with the ongoing hybrid 2974 02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:29,470 program which I think has been ongoing 2975 02:13:35,490 --> 02:13:32,170 for 200,000 years okay that's my firm 2976 02:13:39,590 --> 02:13:35,500 belief I don't think I'm ever gonna get 2977 02:13:42,270 --> 02:13:39,600 off of that but but just like you're 2978 02:13:44,040 --> 02:13:42,280 well we can assume that that was your 2979 02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:44,050 daughter that was standing next to you 2980 02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:48,490 yes could your daughter have walked down 2981 02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:50,560 the street 2982 02:13:57,860 --> 02:13:56,010 and been absorbed into a crowd no no 2983 02:14:02,040 --> 02:13:57,870 definitely not 2984 02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:02,050 is there is illustration of her there 2985 02:14:08,580 --> 02:14:07,210 also you know I think you know I mean we 2986 02:14:10,650 --> 02:14:08,590 look what we do with our genetic 2987 02:14:13,020 --> 02:14:10,660 experiments you know I heard something 2988 02:14:15,060 --> 02:14:13,030 recently about a chihuahua being bred 2989 02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:15,070 with a with a German Shepherd or 2990 02:14:18,650 --> 02:14:16,810 something you know god only knows what 2991 02:14:22,290 --> 02:14:18,660 they're doing behind doors in these 2992 02:14:24,660 --> 02:14:22,300 genetic laboratories but it would stand 2993 02:14:26,730 --> 02:14:24,670 to reason that over time they might 2994 02:14:31,260 --> 02:14:26,740 become more adept at it and be able to 2995 02:14:33,150 --> 02:14:31,270 produce you know produce hybrids that do 2996 02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:33,160 certainly look more human in this 2997 02:14:39,150 --> 02:14:36,010 particular case you know that was not 2998 02:14:41,490 --> 02:14:39,160 the case she would not she would not fit 2999 02:14:43,860 --> 02:14:41,500 and perhaps maybe that's why she was 3000 02:14:45,780 --> 02:14:43,870 confined to a ship for her life did not 3001 02:14:50,070 --> 02:14:45,790 fit right right right 3002 02:14:53,220 --> 02:14:50,080 and what do some people say that only on 3003 02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:53,230 ship they would have to right right 3004 02:14:56,670 --> 02:14:53,890 right 3005 02:14:59,610 --> 02:14:56,680 what do you think I know you thought 3006 02:15:01,560 --> 02:14:59,620 about this hopefully nobody's ever asked 3007 02:15:04,500 --> 02:15:01,570 you this question before what do you 3008 02:15:08,970 --> 02:15:04,510 think her father looked like who was her 3009 02:15:12,930 --> 02:15:08,980 father hmm if I was to well she could 3010 02:15:16,170 --> 02:15:12,940 have been the genetic could have been it 3011 02:15:19,400 --> 02:15:16,180 could have been a the taller gray 3012 02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:19,410 it could even be it's all white 3013 02:15:30,840 --> 02:15:26,410 genetically wow I didn't expect that in 3014 02:15:32,220 --> 02:15:30,850 that anything could be any anybody's 3015 02:15:35,550 --> 02:15:32,230 genetic material could be put together 3016 02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:35,560 sure you know in a test tube and created 3017 02:15:42,030 --> 02:15:39,850 that way right and and it's interesting 3018 02:15:43,650 --> 02:15:42,040 that too I wanted to ask you about I'm 3019 02:15:48,240 --> 02:15:43,660 looking at the clock I got to keep these 3020 02:15:52,140 --> 02:15:48,250 questions going the the the tall white 3021 02:15:56,070 --> 02:15:52,150 that you described in the book help me 3022 02:15:59,500 --> 02:15:56,080 understand the human features because 3023 02:16:01,720 --> 02:15:59,510 we've heard over the years 3024 02:16:05,069 --> 02:16:01,730 you know the word Nordic and northern 3025 02:16:07,149 --> 02:16:05,079 European and and we we identified 3026 02:16:09,790 --> 02:16:07,159 geographically with that 3027 02:16:13,060 --> 02:16:09,800 that's not Nordic he's not Nordic right 3028 02:16:17,410 --> 02:16:13,070 no so yeah the tall white is not like 3029 02:16:20,529 --> 02:16:17,420 that the tall white has a an unusually 3030 02:16:24,459 --> 02:16:20,539 shaped head a very small chin and a 3031 02:16:28,839 --> 02:16:24,469 large a large crown of the head and 3032 02:16:30,879 --> 02:16:28,849 forehead and it has a like a it slants 3033 02:16:32,799 --> 02:16:30,889 down in the middle and comes back out I 3034 02:16:34,929 --> 02:16:32,809 haven't seen any that have any hair on 3035 02:16:37,660 --> 02:16:34,939 their head I haven't seen that their 3036 02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:37,670 eyes are very large but not black almost 3037 02:16:41,950 --> 02:16:40,010 faceted off to the side of their head 3038 02:16:43,719 --> 02:16:41,960 they're faceted there is some white 3039 02:16:46,209 --> 02:16:43,729 around it but there's facets in it 3040 02:16:48,940 --> 02:16:46,219 they're very unusual looking they also 3041 02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:48,950 have almost no mouth and almost no nose 3042 02:16:55,360 --> 02:16:51,679 but the large the top part of the head 3043 02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:55,370 is is bulbous almost it's a very 3044 02:17:01,450 --> 02:16:57,679 different shape and they always wear 3045 02:17:05,019 --> 02:17:01,460 some kind of like a a long cloth robe or 3046 02:17:06,910 --> 02:17:05,029 something over them mm-hmm I pick up the 3047 02:17:08,830 --> 02:17:06,920 every time I have seen what I would call 3048 02:17:11,620 --> 02:17:08,840 myself a tall white like that I've seen 3049 02:17:14,139 --> 02:17:11,630 one that I recognized repeatedly and 3050 02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:14,149 I've seen several others but they seem 3051 02:17:19,780 --> 02:17:17,330 to hold some kind of you know they don't 3052 02:17:21,940 --> 02:17:19,790 express emotion you don't see facial 3053 02:17:25,929 --> 02:17:21,950 gestures or you know animation you don't 3054 02:17:28,660 --> 02:17:25,939 see that but I still pick up disdain and 3055 02:17:31,469 --> 02:17:28,670 a distaste for humans from that 3056 02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:31,479 particular species I even had one 3057 02:17:37,450 --> 02:17:35,120 telepathic interaction with a tall gray 3058 02:17:39,700 --> 02:17:37,460 and I had asked her in my mind whether 3059 02:17:44,469 --> 02:17:39,710 or not she found humans repulsive and 3060 02:17:48,250 --> 02:17:44,479 she said yes hmm do you think this 3061 02:17:50,650 --> 02:17:48,260 program is still on going oh oh 3062 02:17:52,929 --> 02:17:50,660 absolutely I may not be a part of it 3063 02:17:56,740 --> 02:17:52,939 because I'm not of a breeding age 3064 02:18:00,099 --> 02:17:56,750 anymore I'm not useful in that way and 3065 02:18:04,209 --> 02:18:00,109 I've had some sort of direction and some 3066 02:18:05,980 --> 02:18:04,219 kind of instructional training or you 3067 02:18:09,580 --> 02:18:05,990 know subconscious psychological 3068 02:18:12,070 --> 02:18:09,590 programming to perform during some kind 3069 02:18:12,520 --> 02:18:12,080 of crisis and that's all taken care of 3070 02:18:15,550 --> 02:18:12,530 that's all 3071 02:18:18,010 --> 02:18:15,560 be done so they don't really need much 3072 02:18:23,020 --> 02:18:18,020 with me now at this point that's the way 3073 02:18:28,090 --> 02:18:23,030 I see it do you think that the objective 3074 02:18:31,300 --> 02:18:28,100 of the program is to eventually move us 3075 02:18:36,910 --> 02:18:31,310 out of the way right to remove the human 3076 02:18:42,370 --> 02:18:36,920 aspects of us no I I really I think that 3077 02:18:44,650 --> 02:18:42,380 I think that some you know if we are 3078 02:18:47,050 --> 02:18:44,660 indeed a creation of genetic creation I 3079 02:18:49,840 --> 02:18:47,060 believe we are I think it's it's it's 3080 02:18:53,740 --> 02:18:49,850 probably a collective effort maybe from 3081 02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:53,750 several species and I think we're a 3082 02:18:59,380 --> 02:18:56,210 fascinating fascinating race I think 3083 02:19:02,560 --> 02:18:59,390 that they put us together and got us 3084 02:19:05,800 --> 02:19:02,570 started and then we evolved in a way 3085 02:19:08,440 --> 02:19:05,810 that hadn't anticipated yes we involved 3086 02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:08,450 with a lot of the violence and the power 3087 02:19:13,510 --> 02:19:11,450 mongering a lot of the selfishness 3088 02:19:15,940 --> 02:19:13,520 self-centeredness a lot of things but we 3089 02:19:18,220 --> 02:19:15,950 also evolved in another direction they 3090 02:19:21,490 --> 02:19:18,230 did not see it coming and it did not 3091 02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:21,500 come from them because you know it's 3092 02:19:28,630 --> 02:19:25,040 like we can plant a seed but then the 3093 02:19:30,460 --> 02:19:28,640 overall power of the one life nature you 3094 02:19:32,680 --> 02:19:30,470 know the field of infinite possibility 3095 02:19:35,380 --> 02:19:32,690 it's the greater intelligence the whole 3096 02:19:37,630 --> 02:19:35,390 it takes over it's not just them 3097 02:19:40,300 --> 02:19:37,640 creating us there is the power of 3098 02:19:43,080 --> 02:19:40,310 creation at work also so they may have 3099 02:19:46,750 --> 02:19:43,090 started us and interceded periodically 3100 02:19:48,910 --> 02:19:46,760 but also the power of creation was in 3101 02:19:51,730 --> 02:19:48,920 there on its own and it began to involve 3102 02:19:53,890 --> 02:19:51,740 us into a different direction that maybe 3103 02:19:56,440 --> 02:19:53,900 they had not anticipated or seen before 3104 02:20:00,430 --> 02:19:56,450 and they have become several species 3105 02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:00,440 very very curious about us what is it 3106 02:20:04,631 --> 02:20:03,200 how is it you know they show how our 3107 02:20:08,110 --> 02:20:04,641 brain works when you look at some of 3108 02:20:10,930 --> 02:20:08,120 them you know some medical studies on 3109 02:20:13,150 --> 02:20:10,940 how we work and emotions release certain 3110 02:20:15,690 --> 02:20:13,160 you know chemicals and peptides and our 3111 02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:15,700 brains but it still doesn't it does not 3112 02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:19,280 really does not explain you know why a 3113 02:20:24,310 --> 02:20:21,200 mother throws herself in front of a 3114 02:20:26,050 --> 02:20:24,320 speeding vehicle to save her child or 3115 02:20:27,340 --> 02:20:26,060 another human being or 3116 02:20:30,460 --> 02:20:27,350 you know there are things that we have 3117 02:20:32,559 --> 02:20:30,470 here happening that I think they didn't 3118 02:20:36,660 --> 02:20:32,569 see coming and did not come from them 3119 02:20:38,380 --> 02:20:36,670 but came from the overall creator and I 3120 02:20:39,269 --> 02:20:38,390 don't know if that answered your 3121 02:20:45,219 --> 02:20:39,279 question 3122 02:20:49,330 --> 02:20:45,229 it does actually which and going back we 3123 02:20:51,609 --> 02:20:49,340 have three short minutes going back to 3124 02:20:53,109 --> 02:20:51,619 your comment from the the the feeling 3125 02:20:55,780 --> 02:20:53,119 you got from the tall white and the 3126 02:20:58,269 --> 02:20:55,790 comment that you got from the tall gray 3127 02:21:01,330 --> 02:20:58,279 do they give a crap about us 3128 02:21:06,250 --> 02:21:01,340 are they here to save us our urge there 3129 02:21:08,859 --> 02:21:06,260 is the disdain real I see them more as 3130 02:21:11,380 --> 02:21:08,869 experimenters and scientist the Mantid 3131 02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:11,390 the Mantis being that has repeatedly 3132 02:21:16,059 --> 02:21:13,850 been in my life actually I have felt 3133 02:21:18,370 --> 02:21:16,069 compassion and interest and a true 3134 02:21:20,649 --> 02:21:18,380 genuine interest in humanity and 3135 02:21:22,330 --> 02:21:20,659 actually almost that the Mantis that I 3136 02:21:25,300 --> 02:21:22,340 haven't that I have encountered I 3137 02:21:28,059 --> 02:21:25,310 actually standing up in fighting for our 3138 02:21:30,370 --> 02:21:28,069 development as humans some of the other 3139 02:21:33,179 --> 02:21:30,380 species I have not seen that it's more 3140 02:21:35,370 --> 02:21:33,189 scientific I believe obligatory 3141 02:21:38,290 --> 02:21:35,380 scientific following through their work 3142 02:21:41,530 --> 02:21:38,300 that's how it's can yeah I remember you 3143 02:21:45,399 --> 02:21:41,540 mentioning years ago 3144 02:21:48,639 --> 02:21:45,409 that the Mantis being was the one that 3145 02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:48,649 had compassion and empathy yes shared 3146 02:21:54,849 --> 02:21:52,010 was absolutely yeah definitely had a 3147 02:21:58,750 --> 02:21:54,859 sense of compassion not overly so but 3148 02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:58,760 had almost a commitment to the humanity 3149 02:22:03,460 --> 02:22:01,040 moving forward that's how that's what I 3150 02:22:05,530 --> 02:22:03,470 experienced but I will tell you that to 3151 02:22:08,679 --> 02:22:05,540 my knowledge the best of my knowledge 3152 02:22:13,740 --> 02:22:08,689 I've only encountered the one repeatedly 3153 02:22:17,099 --> 02:22:13,750 only the one same ones same same gain 3154 02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:17,109 exactly that seems to know me what 3155 02:22:23,559 --> 02:22:20,000 before I asked you the path forward is 3156 02:22:26,740 --> 02:22:23,569 is disclosure is is disclosure a good 3157 02:22:27,399 --> 02:22:26,750 thing or should we just worry about 3158 02:22:31,179 --> 02:22:27,409 ourselves 3159 02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:31,189 I think our evolution is very important 3160 02:22:35,649 --> 02:22:32,810 and I think each of us has a role to 3161 02:22:38,349 --> 02:22:35,659 play and this particular arena that 3162 02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:38,359 we're playing in is on the forefront of 3163 02:22:42,639 --> 02:22:40,010 our evolution 3164 02:22:44,410 --> 02:22:42,649 we'll open a doorway for all of us that 3165 02:22:46,420 --> 02:22:44,420 nothing else can possibly can do all the 3166 02:22:48,490 --> 02:22:46,430 technology in the world but until our 3167 02:22:51,580 --> 02:22:48,500 consciousness expands in a greater 3168 02:22:54,610 --> 02:22:51,590 Universal way we'll stay stuck on this 3169 02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:54,620 planet so I think what we're doing I 3170 02:22:59,260 --> 02:22:56,810 will continue to do it to work research 3171 02:23:00,940 --> 02:22:59,270 write books in this area talk about my 3172 02:23:03,580 --> 02:23:00,950 experiences I'm sure you're gonna keep 3173 02:23:05,530 --> 02:23:03,590 doing your shows it's I think it's very 3174 02:23:08,710 --> 02:23:05,540 important and I think it's I think it's 3175 02:23:11,050 --> 02:23:08,720 primary I think it's a primary role to 3176 02:23:13,480 --> 02:23:11,060 move us into the future we need to go 3177 02:23:16,599 --> 02:23:13,490 what a great conversation tonight Nadine 3178 02:23:18,250 --> 02:23:16,609 and last Hey 3179 02:23:21,490 --> 02:23:18,260 it was worth waiting six and a half 3180 02:23:25,059 --> 02:23:21,500 years you know it won't be that long 3181 02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:25,069 till we've got so much that we left on 3182 02:23:30,250 --> 02:23:27,680 the table tonight everybody Nadine and I 3183 02:23:35,170 --> 02:23:30,260 talked before the show there was way too 3184 02:23:37,780 --> 02:23:35,180 much to to get in tonight but very soon 3185 02:23:39,599 --> 02:23:37,790 Nadine would love to invite you back 3186 02:23:43,090 --> 02:23:39,609 where we can you know we'll pick one 3187 02:23:44,800 --> 02:23:43,100 segment of this and and just go there 3188 02:23:46,830 --> 02:23:44,810 for the entire show and I look forward 3189 02:23:51,179 --> 02:23:46,840 to that where can everybody get the book 3190 02:23:55,059 --> 02:23:51,189 you know it's on it's an audio now on 3191 02:23:57,820 --> 02:23:55,069 audio comm it's on Amazon Barnes & Noble 3192 02:24:01,179 --> 02:23:57,830 it's off my website alien experiences 3193 02:24:02,559 --> 02:24:01,189 comm it's out there okay thank you so 3194 02:24:05,019 --> 02:24:02,569 much and we'll get all that we'll 3195 02:24:07,330 --> 02:24:05,029 continue to have all the links up in 3196 02:24:09,969 --> 02:24:07,340 social media for the book and we've got 3197 02:24:11,260 --> 02:24:09,979 you up in Twitter where can everybody 3198 02:24:12,429 --> 02:24:11,270 reach out to you if they have any 3199 02:24:14,769 --> 02:24:12,439 questions 3200 02:24:16,420 --> 02:24:14,779 Facebook is a good place for me I'm 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